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Thanks head! Anyone have some targets for wave two of FA?
ReplyDeleteI'd like Jared Cook.
Hahah 1st that picture is great!
ReplyDeleteSorry Head, after I put up my post I saw you had already put one up... Mine is a joke for OBF so once he sees it, I'll remove it. LOL! He should get a kick out of it!
ReplyDeleteLeave it, 1st! It's awesome! LOLOL Wish yours would have popped up first.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I thought it was funny. I had a window with our blog open on the old post for a couple of hours and I hadn't refreshed it so your post didn't show until after I had posted mine... Hope people don't post on it, but I'll leave it at your request.
DeleteMore highlights of Brett Rypien - dang I like his mechanics... Sure wold like to see him go from a Boise St Bronco to a Denver Bronco. I still hope we get one of the top 3 but O'd like to double down on QB with this guy - just in case.
ReplyDeleteOOPs! forgot to add the link LOL! It's a bitch getting old!
Deletehttps://youtu.be/Zh4Cbn8KWtA
Here's an interesting tidbit from BroncosWire;
ReplyDelete"Flacco is set to earn $18.5 million in 2019, $20.25 million in 2020 and $24.25 million in 2021, according to Spotrac.com. Here’s the thing, though: the Broncos could cut Flacco at any time without a “dead money” cap hit.
If Denver drafts a QB this year and he looks ready to start in 2020, the Broncos could save $20.25 million in salary cap space by cutting Flacco. And the team wouldn’t have to sacrifice any cap space to move on from him."
Yep, that is what was good about this trade, the flexibility it gives us at QB.
DeleteJust read that Brett Rypien is the nephew of former Skins Qb and 2x SB winner and 1x SB MVP Mark Rypien... good bloodlines... LOL, okay, we gotta draft this kid... if we miss out on one of the top 3, then he is my next choice in rd 2-7 (his projected round is all over the place with some saying as low as rd 6 to UDFA and at least one saying as high as rd 2).
ReplyDeleteI'm also beginning to think JE sells the farm, trading with SF for their #2 slot to get the guy he wants, sort of an all in, win or lose bet with his job on the line. Then again, SF may not bargain.
Gould, I always hate to correct you with facts and accuracy, but like I said before, the cap hit for Keenum this year is $7M which is $3.5M for the amount we agreed to eat for this year plus another $3.5M which is prorated signing bonus for last year. That makes a $7M cap hit this year.
ReplyDeleteI will maintain horrendous as well, but I know that no matter how many times I go through the details and numbers, you will never agree. That is ok. My standards are apparently higher than yours, lol.
I will add one more comment regarding HORRENDOUS drafting.
ReplyDelete2011 - one player remaining - Miller
2012 - one player remaining - Wolfe
2013 - zilch
2014 - zilch
2015 - Shane Ray probably gone, only Heurmann remains
2016 - 6 remaining players, but we made the HORRENDOUS decision to give a 1st and 3rd for Lynch
2017 - Bolles, Walker and Langely remain for now, bet 1 or 2 get cut before the season
2018 - great draft except that the Jets outmaneuvered Elway for Darnold.
You can spin the Jets outmaneuvering Elway how ever you want, but the bottom line is they got there QB and Elway whiffed.
I know somebody will bring up the players that we drafted that are now on other rosters. Let me ask what that tells you about a GM that misses way too much and then on players that are legit, he can't even resign any of them.
I love the picture 1st. I don't hate Elway. He is the best Bronco player ever. He is, IMO, in the top 5 of all time as far as QBs. But goddam it, he is responsible for the worst 3 consecutive seasons in decades. And he is clueless in evaluating QBs. Sorry, this opinion bothers so many, but without a QB we are going nowhere and will be sniffing KCs butt fumes for years.;
ReplyDeleteWelp, we'll never see eye to eye on Elway's accomplishments vs failures as GM (he was made general manager and executive vice president of football operations in 2011, before that he was executive VP of football operations with Xanders as GM). In fact in December of 2010 after meeting for dinner with Bowlen, JE stated; "I'm not interested in being a head coach. I'm not interested in being a general manager. I don't have that kind of experience to be able to pick those players day in and day out and such." So, JE admitted to lacking experience as a GM - should he not get any consideration for learning on the job? From 2011 to 2015 JE did a monumental job of turning a 4-12 team in shambles over scandal and McD/Xanders blunders into a team that went 8-8, 13-3, 13-3, 12-4, 12-4 and our 3rd SB. In 2016 he went 9-7 and just missed the playoffs after losing PFM. So we're talking 2 losing seasons, 2017 & 2018 of which even you admit 2018 was an excellent draft. So yes, I do think you are being hard on him and I also think we are on the path back to glory... we'll have to wait and see on that. Bottom line, we won't change our opinions and we both want what's best for our team, so all we can do for now is to agree to disagree and see what the future brings. Oh and for the record, I believe JE's biggest mistakes were hiring VJina in 2017 and giving him a 2nd chance in 2018 - NOT his player acquisitions since it's not just the draft, FA/UDFA and trades are the other 2/3rds. I think JE knows that VJina was a huge mistake and will NEVER make the same mistake again (Fangio is proof that he will stay safe with proven coaches, not inexperienced ones). So, we'll see how 2019 goes. If it's as bad as 2017-2018, I may just join you in your criticism. Smile and glad you love the dumpster fire!
DeleteI would love to see Elways record with Manning and without Manning.
DeleteI don't agree that Fangio is proof of anything yet. He has never been a head coach and he has not been on the sidelines for years.
I agree that VJ was a bad hire. Seems like most Bronco fans new he was inexperienced and did not give him a chance to learn, like you want to give Elway a chance to grow. I hope the fans give Fangio a chance, since he is a brand new head coach also. I will give him a chance. I think you have a great point about giving Elway a chance to grow. I was tired of what seemed like everyone always giving him a pass. And him being above criticism.
I hope he turns it around and wins more Super Bowls, but that ain't happening until he does a 180 on QB evaluations. Because I doubt another Manning will fall from the sky into his lap.
Most everyone didn't expect Denver to go after PFM - everyone had other teams grabbing him. JE went after him and JE gets the credit for that, no one else (except for Fox who wanted him too). You can't use PFM as fodder for a "JE is bad at getting player talent" argument (not trying to put words in your mouth, just summing up your argument). As for Fangio, he's been around for a lot longer than VJ and with greater successes. He's been DC for Panthers, Colts, Texans, Stanford, 49ers and Bears as well as various other D coaching positions in the NFL... he was long over-due for a HC job and with his other coaching hires for the Broncos, has way more coaching experience than VJ. I disagree that he hasn't been on the sidelines for years, he's been an NFL defensive coach from 1986 to today except for Stanford's DC in 2010 and knows the sidelines as well as the booth. I like the choice for now - but everything is relative to results in the NFL. As for JE, I too hope he turns it around on drafting QBs and like you believe if he can't evaluate them, he should hire someone who can... which he may have done with Rich Scangarello who is known as a "QB whisperer". Both Scangarello and McCartney handled offense and QBs in SF. IMO, they should improve our offense but ya, they'll need a good QB to groom.
DeleteIt also makes me laugh that people keep saying that the great thing about giving up a 4th round pick for a sucky QB is that we can cut him without any cap hit. Let me restate this, Elway made a great trade in giving a 4th rounder and maybe it will be for nothing and not cost us anything else. Brilliant
ReplyDeleteFlacco is a stopgap, not a future franchise. I think everyone knows we are still looking for our franchise QB and will likely draft one this year or next. No team signs another team's castoff QB with the intention of them being the long term solution. Given the fact that franchise QBs aren't as plentiful as a WR or RB, we may be looking for a while... fact of life in the NFL.
DeleteResigned Heurman for two years $9 million. Seems a bit much for a guy who hasn’t played a full season yet. Scratching my head that that one.
ReplyDeleteIt is hard to figure given his injury record vs production. Pat's signed LaCosse for "up to $4.8 million over two years" but I read elsewhere "Matt LaCosse’s two-year deal with the Pats:
Delete2019
$700K base ($200K guaranteed), $25K per game on 46-man roster
2020
$1M base, $25K per game on 46-man roster
$300K signing bonus. $500K in guarantees. Up to $500K in p/t, receptions each yr"
which would put him a little over what Heurman got... nothing is gospel yet, Pats are always vague on contracts.
Shaq Barrett signed with Tampa Bay.
ReplyDeleteTitans just cut a Right Guard Josh sitton.
Good pickup IMO - a bit old but he will plug the hole until whoever we draft is ready. Love Sitton's comparison to playing left and right guard to "trying to wipe your ass with your opposite hand". LOL!
DeleteJosh Kline
DeleteJosh Kline may be an option but he's kinda average and after signing a 4 yr deal with the Titans last year for $26M, he refused to take a pay cut to remain on the team. That may price him out of the Broncos interest but who knows - things always change.
DeleteMIA trades Tannehill to TN which means they will be looking to move up in the draft too... shit is getting crowded and teams like SF, TB, Jets and OAK have to be licking their chops over what they'll get to trade down to teams looking for a top QB in 2019 draft... (us) yikes!
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DeleteOn the other hand, since MIA is going to be on the rebuild for 2019, they may ship off their older, expensive talent this year, hang onto the best youngsters, then tank for 2019 assuring them of a top QB pick in 2020's better QB class. This year's draft is so crucial for the Broncos. Seems they MUST trade up for a QB even though it gives me the heebee-jeebees... and take Rypien for fallback. LOL! Yes, I'm relentless when I like a player! Fact is, if we sell the farm to move up, we likely won't have a high enough pick left to grab Rypien unless he goes in the bottom rounds. Can wait to see how this all unfolds on draft day.
DeleteWhy do you like Rypien so much? Not disagreeing, just wondering and then I will do some research.
DeleteI like his mechanics and poise. He has a very quick release and his feet are where they should be. He can make all the throws and as a 4 year starter, he has experience and a proven record - not just a single season sensation. His stats are very good even though Boise St's OL and RBs didn't give much help. He did have good receivers though. I love how he hits receivers in stride and how he surveys the entire field, going through progressions as he should. His quick release is also great when rushed hard although his line sometimes gives him zero protection. He could add another 10-15 lbs to his frame but he has held up well injury wise... and he has taken hits without flinching - standing in there to make the throw. He also moves well in the pocket, has great pocket awareness and does some great fakes. Saw one play where he fakes dropping the ball, then fades back to hit a wide open receiver while everyone is looking for the dropped ball. Great hand off fakes too which with our RBs, will freeze DLs and LBers solid. His QBR has been from 141.0 to 156.0 all 4 years, freshman to senior as a starter. He has a 4.0 GPA and was class valedictorian meaning he works hard and isn't stupid... plus he's a Bronco Hahahaha!
DeleteHere's a very good breakdown of Rypien and you'll see why I like him. It also gives where and how he needs to improve. The writer thinks he would be a great prospect for the Pats or 49ers - and seeings how we have both Scangarello and McCartney from SF, IMO, he'd be perfect for them to work with to iron out his flaws. In today's NFL, he's got the raw skills of Brady as far as release, awareness and that short ball killer ability coupled with a great long ball - as you can see in the other highlight links I provided before. Pleas do check him out and give me your opinion.
Deletehttps://www.sportsaldente.com/brett-rypien-nfl-draft-profile/
Oh, and at 6-2, 202, Rypien is in the Elway size when he was a rookie... adding some muscle weight will help.
DeleteOBF, from Klis, Broncos have trade parameters with Washington for QB Case Keenum: Broncos get WAS 6th in 2020, WAS gets Broncos 7th in '20, per source. Keenum's contract reworked. Broncos pay him $500K restructure bonus and pay $3.5 million of his $7M salary. Washington pays $3.5 mi. #9sports
ReplyDeleteGould, you are missing the point. Take the $3.5 from your comment and add the $3.5 from the prorated signing bonus and the Broncos cap hit in 2019 for Keenum is $7M.
ReplyDeleteHere is the link to Spotrac - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/cap/
Scroll down to Dead Cap and you will see the facts. Sorry for holding you to accuracy.
It says dead contract, that’s his old one, he has signed a new contract. So far both spotrac and overthecap are reporting the 3.5 mil cap hit from Washington but not the 4 mil we paying.
DeleteWrong for Spotrac.
DeleteDead cap hit still counts as a cap hit
Deleteyou're also wrong for over the cap website.
DeleteAlso from Klis: So Keenum gets bump from $7 million to $7.5 million. Broncos save $3 million of $7 million guarantee they owed him, plus move up a round. Washington gets experienced starting QB to compete with Colt McCoy for QB job. Deal official Wednesday
DeleteSo did some thinking on this. Still not sure how it works out. The 7 mil we owed case we split between us and washington, 3.5 mil each. Which is what shows for Washington on their cap. We then paid Case the restructure bonus of 500k. To get to that number of 7.5 mil. What we don't know is where the other 14 mil went in his contract (washington could be paying him anything from 3.5 to 14.5 mil). Everything I have seen has us on the hook for the 4 mil we are paying. Interesting to note if we still have a cap hit of 7 mil and washington has 3.5 on their cap thats 10.5 accounted for Case which seems double dipping, plus we don't know where that other money is from Cases old contract.
DeleteBoth spotrac and over the cap don't seem up to date yet and overthecap makes that point with: At this moment we do not know the new terms of his contract and are just showing a $3.5 million cap charge based on various reports. We will update when we confirm the numbers.
There is also the difference of cap and cash. We may have that 7 mil cap hit but in reality only paying 4 mil in cash. So we both probably right lol
So I'm confusing cap hit and cash, all good.
DeleteTyreek Hill investigated in battery case on his son. Hill was also arrested in 2014 for punching and choking his pregnant fiancee. Man, the Chiefs seem to really like women beaters.
ReplyDeleteSo much for that rumored 100mil contract.
DeleteWe signed DB Bryce Callahan today. He could be our slot guy.
ReplyDeleteFormer Bears’ CB Bryce Callahan reached agreement with the Denver Broncos on a three-year, $21 million deal that includes $10 million fully guaranteed, per source.
DeleteThat’s a good signing.
Callahan comes from the Bears so Fangio is well aware of what he can do. Bryce suffered a "broken foot" early last December after having a "breakout year" as the Bears nickleback. He's kind of small at 5-9, 188 but not that small. Hope he heals well and can cover TEs across the middle. He is basically Roby's replacement. He is 27 turning 28 in October.
DeleteGould - The 3 years tell us he's not just a "prove it" deal and could stick for a few seasons if he performs well. Fingers crossed. It does reduce our need for a CB in the draft letting us go after only good value at the position.
DeleteHe was performing better than Roby and is cheaper so sign me up. With him Jackson and Harris all our corners are small. But they all can all tackle which is what we need.
DeleteOBF - I answered your question about Rypien up above - did you see it or are you still doing your own research?
ReplyDeleteSo with the Callahan signing, that leaves us with needs at safety, NT and ILB yet on defense. I suspect we may try to bring back Peko this year on a cheap deal and look to fill that void next year or maybe we can get one in the draft. Not sure how the depth is there coming out.
ReplyDeleteWe need a guard or two on the offensive line and hopefully a QB. I think we will draft a guard early.
I like the signings so far. Hopefully Flacco can play reasonably well enough to put points on the board. Defense should be much improved.
I just looked up league QB W/L records and was a little surprised to find Flacco at #7 (106W-72L) just 3 less wins and 8 more losses than #6 Aaron Rogers. Heck, maybe we don't go after a QB at #10 and just draft BPA? Still make sense to go after my guy Rypien in a lower round though.
DeleteBroncos resigned Zach Kerr to a 3 yr contract. I liked Kerr last year.
ReplyDeleteYounger than Peko. Good signing.
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DeleteYup, IMO, we will address NT in the very late rds or UDFA if at all, we still have Shelby Harris behind Peko and I do like him. I just watched the Elway/Fangio vid discussiing the new signings and JE says as of now our OL is (L to R) Bolles LT, Leary LG, McGovern C, Wilkerson RG and James RT. We will need some backup guys who can move around to different positions but those 5 look to be our starters - unless something changes and that never happens LOL!
DeleteGould, we are not both right on the cap hit. My original post stated that the Broncos would have a cap hit this year of $18 for Flacco, $7.5M for Keenum and another $1m or so for Lynch. that was always true and is still true. You took exception to that and were way confused about cash vs cap. I tried to explain and you are still a little confused. There are no mystery numbers. In Keenums original contract with Denver, It concluded a guaranteed signing and roster bonus that was paid in cash in 2018, but for cap purposes it was prorated (over the life of the contrat) to 2018 and 2019. That amount then became dead cap for 2019 when Keenum was traded. You keep taking exception to this and posting tweets from Klis, but those tweets are cash only and have nothing to do with my original cap post.
ReplyDeleteHere is a good link for you to learn how the salary cap works. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/02/nfl-offseason-salary-cap-primer-glossary-dead-money-contracts-franchise-tag
You are welcome. Glad i could help you understand this better.
B1st. Have not had time yet to look at your boy Rypein yet.
ReplyDeleteThe Giants don't like Haskins. Murray will go #1 and Rosen traded to another QB needy team. By the time draft rolls around we may have a shot at one of the other two of the top 3.
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B1st, we agree on a lot, like the fact that Elway needs help in evaluating QBs. Maybe i missed it but i don't recall you saying that before.
ReplyDeleteWe will always disagree on the prior drafts. You think they were ok and I think they were awful. So we disagree, no need to beat on that one anymore.
I'm just a little more blunt than you and I say politically incorrect things. And sometimes you get a little butt hurt over my criticisms of Elway. Rest assured I am in the stands everyweek with my Bronco gear cheering loudly and positively for the Broncos when they are on the field. It is some off field Elway moves that I am critical of. I also cheered for VJ loudly and gave him more of a chance than most others. I will do the same with Fangio, even though I think both were bad signings. I hope Fangio proves me wrong and i hope you guys give him more of a chance than you gave VJ. I disagree with your comment about Fangio being on the sidelines recently. Everything that I have read says that he has been up in the pressbox.
You made this statement " You can't use PFM as fodder for a "JE is bad at getting player talent" argument".
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
I will clarify my point on this:
Elway did a great job recruiting Manning. We don't get Manning without Elway. One of the best free agent. signings ever. Having Manning in the fold for a year and proving that he was still an all time great made it a lot easier for Elway to sign Ware, Talib, Ward, stewart and Sanders, at very team friendly contracts. And to resign Harris and Wolfe at team friendly contracts. These guys wanted to play with Manning and the Broncos because they knew we had a legit shot to win a SB. And we did. And I give credit to Elway for putting it together. i also give credit to Kubiak, Wade, Manning, Von, Ware, Talib and all the other great champions on the team.
But even through the 4 years of Manning, Elway's drafting and QB selections were questionable. Now Manning and those other free agent signings are gone and we are left with weak QBing and other holes on the team.
The drafting of OZ was a reach and some suspected that it was because OZ and Elways son were friends and ex teammates. Maybe true, maybe not. But Manning retires and we have no successor. We knew Manning was at the end and any decent QB could have kept us a contender the year after Manning retired.
We still had a great defense after Manning retired, but got nothing out of it because of our offensive woes. Now the defense also has holes.
So, now we have set Bronco marks for futility that goes back decades. I will hold the management structure and the GM accountable. I think we are farther away from returning to prominence than you do.
That is just my opinion that differs from yours.
Oh where to start? I agree that signing PFM helped when negotiating some of those contracts - but not all. Harris and Wolfe re-signed after PFM was gone. Ware was at the end of his career and played what, 2 productive years and 1 weak one (after PFM)? But I digress, I'm not here to throw shade on our past or present players, just making the case that they were all (except for Harris, Wolfe) castoff signings and how they became Broncos had as much to do, if not more, with how JE was building the team and not the coat-tail benefits of PFM’s shining light... friendly contracts included - since JE never overpays or leaves the Broncs in a $$$ pit. He's cheap, some use that to bash him with.
DeleteI've already covered the drafting question in my last comment so, on to the QBs. As for Oz, he was supposed to be a project. Unfortunately, PFM isn't known for his mentoring - in fact he hinders it, refusing to let the understudy in even when we're way ahead or even just to mop up at the end of games... stats I'd guess were his main concern was. Oh, and that included TC where PFM got all the 1st team snaps.
Oz was handled poorly and after PFM went down and Oz came in for 7 games (winning 5 of those), then was benched for PFM in the playoffs - that was a slap in the face but when the Broncos put off extending Oz's contract while his majesty PFM took his time deciding whether he wanted to play his final contract year, well, that did it for Oz, he decided to walk and I don't blame him. Who knows how he would have performed with the proper handling and continuing in the same Bronco system, players and coaches - which he spent 4 years learning from. Denver and Houston ruined his confidence.
I will add that Denver (JE), also did that to Tebow and Siemian as well. Tebow won for us and I can't blame JE for grabbing PFM when he did, but still, a backstab after publicly stating "he's our QB".
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DeleteTS was allowed to get the snot kicked out of him both years he started, with zero help up front. Not the way to develop an already undeveloped QB.
Lynch was another bad handling - I don't believe Kubes is good at developing QBs - at least none that I've seen. In any event, the buck stops at JE and Ellis (Joe did have his finger in the soup, firing Shanny and hiring McDope). If we remember, our first choice at QB was hot and promising QB at the time, Krapper. But he reneged at the last moment, wanted more $$ so JE went and got Sanchez to add some leverage. The Krapper deal finally fizzed and we were left with Sanchez, Siemian and I think Dysert as all others were gone. Draft was over but coming off a SB win, we drafted dead last which meant no chance at a QB anyways.
So, that was 2016. In 2017 we moved up to take Pax - which according to his size, skill set and potential, was projected to be a top QB pick. Wrong roll of the dice on an immature, empty headed goon.
As for the "futility that goes back decades" that you keep insisting is valid, it's not. As I said before, we were 9-7 in 2016, a winning record, just missing the playoffs with a non-existent OL.
2017 and 2018 were losing seasons yes, but we had a new HC, VJ, who had zero experience and a poorly rated D at his previous position as DC. He should not have been hired but Kube’s retirement was unexpected so we really didn't have much advance warning that we should be looking for a replacement.
Wade decided he wanted a team closer to his family and Woods who was touted as the "next upcoming" and “hotly pursued” turned out to be not so good. We lost good talent due to FA from 2016 to 2018 and ya, lots of bad luck coupled with lots of injuries. Does that give JE a pass? Hell no - but it does lay out the facts. JE's job is to be ready to make good decisions on the fly and IMO, he has tried to do so. If we continue to falter, then I'm sure he will get the hook after this year or maybe 1 more - but the Broncos, media and fans won't let him "pass" any longer.
It does seem to me that Elway has done a great job at addressing the CB needs. Hopefully they can stay healthy. that has been an issue.
ReplyDeleteI also like the RT signing. Hopefully that works out better than all the other OL free agents we have tried in the past 3 or 4 years.
Other than Murray, I don't give a rats ass about any of the other QBs in the draft, so put me down for BPA.
ReplyDeleteShould we take Haskins or Lock, I will be ok with it and be the first one at camp to see how they look. I will be ok with it because we are in such dire straits at the position. That is what is has come to for me.
B1st, I'm talking about the first few rounds, not the second or third tier of QBs like Rypien. Still have to look at him.
DeleteOBF - You said; "You made this statement " You can't use PFM as fodder for a "JE is bad at getting player talent" argument".
ReplyDeleteWhat I was referring to was your earlier statement; "I would love to see Elway's record with Manning and without Manning."... and then you go on to state how bad JE is at getting talent and how he is ruining the team. My point was that you can't throw shade on JE or imply his record would have been been bad without PFM when the fact is, JE did get PFM, it's a plus, not a negative as far as JE's ability to acquire talent.
You're judging JE's talent acquisition ability based solely on his draft picks, actually for his top 3-4 round picks in each draft but totally ignoring his FA and UDFA signings which make up 2/3rds of his player signings... it's the big picture that should define his ability to sign talent regardless of how or where he gets them.
I found some data on the success rate of NFL teams at drafting... not good to say the least. Out of all drafts for 20 years including 2016 the rate for draftees who don't play for the team who drafted them or considered poor or considered average, is 42.5%. For those considered good, great or legendary, the number was just 20.2% - so about 1 in 5 picks are average or above. By that measure, I'd say JE's picks have been on par with other teams, probably better if compared team by team;
16.7% Didn’t Play for the Team that Drafted Them
15.3% Were Considered “Poor”
10.5% Were Considered “Average”
12.3% - Were Considered “Good”
6.9% Were Considered “Great”
1% Were Considered “Legendary”
42.5% average-poor-didn’t play for drafted team
20.2 good-great-legendary
b1st. SO is this info for 20 years? If so, it does not apply to Elway. I just don't get what you are saying. I can't decipher your last post.
ReplyDeleteMy point was that you were giving me all the stats for Elways tenure and I said that i would love to see his record with and without Manning. I think it would be drastically different. Of course I can make that statement.
Bottom line, i don't care if is draft, udfa or fa, the bottom line is that this team has many holes and the GM, even if his name is Elway is responsible. Look above for the many needs that the team has. Christ, Brad named about every position. I'm sorry that I don't hold the same opinion of Elway as you do. As much as you defend him, you would think we must be a SB favorite and we are far from that.
Yes, the info was gathered for the 20 drafts prior to and including 2016... so I think it does pertain to JE in the context I provided. It is NFL averages, outcomes and not just the Bronco's. It is the outcomes of all drafted players during that time frame. What is so hard to decipher for you? Please be specific and don't just say "your last post" and maybe I can help you.
DeleteIf you read what I wrote, you'd understand that the stats I gave support the fact that the draft is a crap shoot, that only 1 in 5 (20.2%) drafted players are considered good, great or legendary - all the rest are are considered average or below. Does that mean those average or below players are worthless busts? No, they play a vital role since no team is, has been or ever will be made up of just “good, great or legendary” players. How that relates is to your high standard you are demanding of JE. Should he be expected to be Drafting well above all other teams? No, not realistically, he’ll make mistakes like ALL GMs do.
Next, it impossible for you or anyone to speculate on "what if" concerning PFM. You can of course, but it's invalid, purely speculation without any other specified variables except "without Manning". What the hell does that mean? Who then is QB, Tebow or someone else? Nobody knows what we would have done in 2011 or the following 4 years minus Manning. That's silly, the variables are so vast you could come up with any scenario that suites your preconceived outcome of “What would have happened”.
Sorry you are down on Elway and that you feel people aren't complaining enough about him... but hey, that's your choice and you have a right to your opinion, as does everyone who isn't joining in your criticism. If you'll find the time to carefully read the post above where I've answered your previous post, maybe you'll see that I also hold JE accountable but not entirely responsible for everything bad or good that has happened. Surely he was instrumental in both the good and the bad, at least whatever wasn’t just bad or good luck - but hey, you have to measure the positive with the negative and IMO, you clearly have your finger on the negative side of the scale.
I did look at the many needs that Brad stated this team has, but just in this FA alone, more than half of those needs have been addressed. How that is completed along with the draft, OTAs, TC, etc., and then the season is played, only then we’ll know were we are at. If it’s another loser as bad as the last 2 seasons, then I’m sure you will have no problem finding support for your criticism - me included.
Truth is, NFL teams turnover about 1/3rd of their roster each year. That's about 16-17 players that are replaced by FAs, UDFAs or draftees. So, if you are going by that average, you should draft at least 2-3 players/year that will stay on the team for the entire 2.6 to 3.3 years (depending on whose figures you go by) of the average length of an NFL player's career. So, JE has IMO, done that so far - at the very least on average, including all avenues of acquisition.
Bottom line, we won't agree on this, and that’s okay. Everyone has their own opinion. I'll leave it lay at that so feel free to criticize but I'll wait to see what the final chapter is before I join you. Either JE succeeds or fails but one thing is for sure, NOTHING remains static and only the future will provide the answer.
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ReplyDeleteDude you are trying to overanalyze my comment. I didn't say anything about what the record would have been with someone other than Manning at quarterback. I said and I'll say it again for the third time, I don't know what Elway's record is with games that Manning was the quarterback, and what his record is with games that Manning was not the quarterback. That's pretty easy to understand.
ReplyDeleteI'll go figure out that record later today. It's just a factual thing and not a speculation thing.
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DeleteUmmm, what you are stating now is not what you stated twice originally... what you stated;
DeleteOld Bronco FanMarch 15, 2019 at 2:05 PM
"I would love to see Elways record with Manning and without Manning."
...and again;
OBFMarch 16, 2019 at 4:28 PM
"and I said that i would love to see his [Elway's] record with and without Manning."
Those statements are far from what you are now saying. Maybe you misstated what you intended to mean, but none the less, I was responding to what you said. What you are now saying has a more specific meaning as in PFM's won/loss record with the Broncos. The way you originally stated it, makes it sound like you meant what would Elway's record be like with PFM on the team or without him on the team, dude. So ya, if you want to figure out PFM's wins and losses as a Bronco, fine but it's easily found on the net without doing the figuring, 45W-12L or a .789 win rate.
wrong
DeleteHow can a RT and 2 CBs fill half of their needs. Now that is a stretch.
ReplyDelete1 RT James, 2 CBs Jackson, Callahan, 1 QB Flacco, 1 TE Heuerman, 1 NT S. Harris, 1 DL Kerr, 1 LS, Krieter and the trade of Keenum, which didn't fill a position but did move us up 1 slot from a 7th to a 6th while freeing up cap space which all will help later and in the draft to fill more needs. Brad, who you mentioned in regards to our team needs, had offered 6 positions to fill (Brad; "My biggest needs are CB, Safety, ILB, NT, OL, QB in no particular order."), I just listed 6 positions and 8 players that we've gotten so far, with possibly more to come. 4 of those 6 positions were specifically named in Brad's 6 he mentioned, so I'd say my contention that "more than half of those needs have been addressed" isn't a stretch at all... but we do tend to see things differently.
DeleteGlad you think Flacco has addressed our QB needs. Glad you think the resigning of Harris, Kerr, Heurmann and Krieter have somehow filled the holes on our roster. Sometimes you have to look beyond raw numbers and use some analytical skills.
DeleteI think we still have needs at QB, TE, WR, OL, NT and ILB and Safety,
I don't know if Joe has filled our QB needs but I know he's better than what we've had the last 3 seasons. I also think we need to improve at QB... preferably a young talented one however we can get one without selling the team's future. As for filling holes, yes I do think we filled some empty holes with those guys. Harris and Kerr are both good, Heuerman when he's healthy has shown improvement and Krieter, while not a vital clog in the system, did make Pro Bowl last year if my memory serves me. Not every position is going to be manned by an A+ player. We'll see how it plays out and I'll always welcome any upgrades as well.
Delete1st. don't tell me that I am changing what i stated. I will state it for the 4th time. I would love to see Elways record with Manning and without Manning. So here it is.
ReplyDeleteWith Manning (in games that Manning has started) Elway's record is 45-12 in the regular season and 5-3 in the playoffs. Pretty fucking awesome.
Without Manning (games Manning did not start) Elway's record is 33-38 in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs.
The trend is certainly downward with a record of 11-21.
Again, don't tell me that I changed my statement because I did not and I do not appreciate your suggestion that I did.
The 11-21 is the last 2 seasons.
DeleteLet's just say I misunderstood what you meant, but it makes little difference in Elway's record with QBs since he did sign Manning and he is 85-54 (a .612 winning % overall including playoffs) as the Bronco’s GM. Yes, JE's last 2 years have been lousy as I've stated before, but his record is pretty decent over 8 seasons, having only 2 losing seasons under VJina’s tenure and one .500 season with Fox/Tebow/Orton.
DeleteFrom my interpretation, the narrative you have been trying to make is, in a nutshell, that JE wouldn't have done as well without PFM. Well duh, Elway signed Manning - that is a plus for JE not a how bad would he be without PFM.
As for your not appreciating my suggestion, I can only say it wasn’t a “suggestion”, it was how I read it. I read it that you saying without Manning, JE would be terrible, to which I replied that we don't know that because we don't know who else JE would have had for QB/s over those 4 Manning years or how that/those QB/s would have performed with whatever weapons and defenses we would have had.
So, I may have missed your intended meaning. Also, I might add that you addressing me as "dude" and that I'm "butt hurt" over your criticisms is also not appreciated. I have told you several times, both recently and in the past, that I do appreciate your comments and your input, be they criticisms or not. Excuse me if I missed it, but I don’t remember you saying the same, but no worries there, that isn’t my point, my point is I do appreciate what you have to say and I do not get “butt hurt” over football (okay, maybe I do when we lose). On the same token, if I disagree with something or feel there is more viewpoints to be considered, then I will always try to add them in a respectable way, simply because I do like and respect everyone on here, including you. You have valuable things to contribute, everyone does! I think we have a great group and I do enjoy everything everyone adds to our blog. As for the topic, it really doesn’t matter, he’s been gone for 3+ seasons.
Yeah, like maybe he would've kept Tebow! LOL
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ReplyDelete1st, I did take a look at Rypien. Most of the stuff I read had him as a mid round pick or later, and I think that is where you want to take him. The weaknesses most often stated were arm strength and pocket awareness, but there were a lot of positive traits also mentioned. Although I am not as high on him as you are, I would be fine if we drafted him somewhere late on day 2 or day 3. He seems as good as any other QB prospect after the top ranked guys. Maybe he would develop and I am all for beefing up our QB room, especially with younger prospects.
ReplyDeleteWell, we agree here except for the pocket awareness, everything I read (at least 6 articles) says he excels in that area and my eye agrees in the 6-8 highlight and full game tapes I've seen. The biggest weakness I've read is that he puts to much confidence in his accuracy and sometimes throws into tight coverage. But I'll go with what you read. I also wouldn't take him in day 1 unless JE & staff were really high on him and decided to trade down towards the bottom of the 1st because they didn't like who was there at #10 and gained someone they did like plus lots of draft capital in moving down that far. That link I gave above is a real in depth look at him - here it is again if you missed it.
Deletehttps://www.sportsaldente.com/brett-rypien-nfl-draft-profile/
You have researched a lot more than i have so I will defer to your analysis.
DeleteI watched all the recent press conferences. Very interesting, I really like James and Jackson. Both spoke very highly of the coaching staff so that is a plus.
ReplyDeleteBut the most interesting press conference was Flaccos. It felt so different to Case's last year. That was more we are happy to have him, Case was excited etc. For Flacco, Elway was very confident and you could tell the conviction he has with the Flacco pickup. Then Flacco talked very strongly, you could tell he knows how to be the face of a franchise. The more I heard Elway, Fangio and Flacco talk the more I believe they are all in on Flacco. It felt very much like deja vu to Manning's introduce press conference.
So what does that mean for us at 10#? With that knowledge I'm leaning heavily towards BPA. If one of the top 3 QBs makes it to 10 and we have them rated highly we will probably take them. If not I don't see us moving up, I also don't think moving down is likely unless we get a great deal. We will be sit put and take BPA.
Which to me is going to be a defensive player. Follow the same strategy as we did with Manning. Flacco can be serviceable and a game manager on offense. Create an god-worthy level defense (like 2015) to win us the Superbowl. See that has already started with the signing of the CB. Now need ILB, maybe another NT and maybe another Safety (but I like Parks and Simmons).
I hope you are right. I just know that after watching Flacco the last 3 years or so, he has not been very special. My preference is a young QB to groom and then we can get out of this scenario where the QB position costs us over $26M in cap space and the best we can hope for is a game manager. then the cap dollars could be directed toward other areas of need. t least Flacco has the arm strength to throw it deep.
DeleteI meant "At least"
DeleteGould, I came away with the same impression after watching JE/Fangio discuss it and Joe's intro. I think they feel Flacco is our QB for the near future but they very well may take one at #10 if they like who's left or surely in a later round since we still have no other QBs on the team at present. As for the safety, Jackson is versatile and played safety for HOU last year. Harris is also very versatile and played both slot and a few situations as safety. So, we may have some overlap there but I also agree that we still need another safety. Kerr and Harris can both play at NT but we may want another guy there depending on how they feel about Walker backing at DE. Just glad we are filling holes. IMO, the biggest question with what we've achieved so far towards getting better in 2019 is how much our coaches are going to be able to mold and groom the players we get and have. We had so many on IR and PS that it's easy to forget who we do have and what they can or can't do.
DeleteUpdate - I just checked our roster and we have like 7 guys at safety including Parks and Simmons. All are young with 3 seasons or less except Shamarko who has 6 seasons.
DeleteI'd like a good young QB to develop. Just don't see us moving up for one. Probably be another late round flyer (maybe Jackson) and keep hoping to hit on one of them.
DeleteSame, I like the moves we have been doing. Safety is probably set, we have a lot of young talent. Depends on if they are happy with Parks starting. I am. Hopefully with the focus on D they can get something out of Cravens also.
ok, a new tactic you all think Elway has done a great job and I don't. Instead of Elway bashing let's talk about what you consider to be his best personnel moves the last 3 years in terms of players and coaches. i will go first.
ReplyDeleteThe signing of Lindsey was great and we gave him extra UDFA money to get him here. Great move.
Even though I believe Elway was beaten to the punch by the Jets last year and they got their young QB to groom, after that happened, I give Elway great credit for not trading down and instead drafting Chubb.
I think drafting Sutton in the 2nd round was a great move.
As far as coaches go, I believe that Fangio is an unknown with no prior head coaching experience. I hope everyone gives him a chance to grow. I know I will. But the move that I think was great was getting Munchak in here. Lord knows we have needed help with the OL for some time.
I also like the signings of the 2 free agent CBs this year. If they can stay healthy it will prove to be a great risk/reward scenario.
So, there is my start to the list of great moves by Elway in the last 3 years. Anything to add?
Okay, 1) Firing VJina, 2) Unloading Keenum 3) the 2018 draft class including UDFA signings (Lindsay).
Deletehaha, so 1 and 2 are just fixing fuckups. Sorry, I just could not resist. So far all of the positives are from 2018 and 2019. what about 2016 and 2017?
DeleteB1st, I never intended to speculate on how Elway would have done without signing Manning. That would be silly. I much prefer to deal in facts and not conjecture that cannot be substantiated. That is why i was so confused with your "fodder" comment. It did not even occur to me the way that you had interpreted my comment. What i was doing was replying to your accolades about all of Elways records and accomplishments as a GM. I was trying to say that he was great with Manning and deserves all the credit. But i was trying to separate the Manning Years from the non Manning years, in terms of Elway's GM record. Mostly I am of the opinion that since Manning retired we have been in a downward spiral. To be expected of course, but too severe in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteYes, we were 9-7 in 2016, but we still had one of the best and most dominating defenses of all time, and i believe that we underachieved because of not having any experience at QB, and therefore we wasted an opportunity for another playoff run.
2017 was a disaster and we were not even competitive in most games.
2018 was also disappointing and we set a record for Bronco futility, with our 2nd consecutive losing record in 50 years or so.
2016, I think we may have been able to do better that year but Kubes was breaking down.
Delete2017 and 2018 I put down to coaching. We hired the wrong coach, that blame lies with Elway and Ellis.
Coaching plays a big part.
I actually thought that 33-38 in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs record without Manning would be worse (as in going from a HoF to journeymen).
the 33-38 also includes the 8-8 Tebow season and the 5 games or so that OZ won when Manning was hurt.
Deleteb1st, maybe I have been negligent in not telling you that I appreciate your comments and our debate. For that oversight, I do apologize.
ReplyDeleteNo need to apologize, just trying to point out that we needn't just focus on negatives, but we shouldn't ignore them either.
DeleteGuys, I hope you are right about Flacco, but what I have seen lately from him and looking at his recent stats, I don't think he's much of an upgrade, especially for what we are paying him.
ReplyDeleteHe just needs to manage and keep us in games, not lose them for us. Embrace the checkdown lol
DeleteWe are doing the Manning strategy.
I'm avoiding the Elway debate, mostly because I don't like looking back. To tell the truth Shanahan and McDaniels sucked at drafting also. The Broncos have sucked at drafting for a long time. If it wasn't for free agency we would be worse than the f****** Browns. That said, Elway is a dick and I'm not going to defend his personality or expertise in anything. What I do admire about him is the fact that he's not afraid to cut bait on a mistake. If he sees a problem he gets rid of it and does his best to change it. He also does his best to put a competitive team out there every year. Last year we were liking Keenum about as much as we are liking Flacco right now. We know he is not the final answer but we tried to paint the turd and make it look like gold. One thing we all seem to agree on, until we find our next franchise quarterback we are a step behind Kansas City right now. They got lucky and their gamble paid off with Mahomes. Majority of the time it's about getting lucky when drafting. You can evaluate all you want but to be able to see the future is impossible. Someone who can have all the talent in the world will blow it. And someone who is not predicted to be all that great in the NFL turns around and becomes a superstar. A few years ago nobody wanted Russell Wilson because of the same things that they're saying are good about Murray. Some teams are still shying away from Murray, but because Wilson has succeeded now, all of a sudden Arizona seems to think Murray can succeed. They seem serious about him at number one even though they will have to make a special offense for him. They also will have to get a backup that can play the same offense as him.
ReplyDeletePersonally I think that is nuts. I think there're going to sell. I think the new coach just recognized that Murray is the only viable trade bait for the #1 price tag and the best option to sell the number one pick. I have a hard time believing that they are going to dump a legitimate franchise quarterback 4 minimum value just to take a flyer on a new possible franchise quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I still think Murray will go number one, I just don't think it will be Arizona and them dumping Rosen 4 less than what they spent on him last year.
Digger, when did you get so smart?
DeleteI'm a regular philosopher. LOL
DeleteBTW, I feel Miller had just as much if not more to do with FAs wanting to take less $ to come or stay in Denver as Manning did.
ReplyDeleteAlso, while I'm on Miller, even though he was number two overall, we got lucky. He was not predicted to fit in our defense. His track record was not very good for behaving himself. He has come close to screwing up.
Oops, I take my prior comment back. lol
ReplyDeleteLOL
DeleteBrendon Langely as a receiver. https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Brendan-Langley-flashes-in-WR-training-video-130206376/
ReplyDeleteI noted that a while back. It went unnoticed.
DeleteSorry must have missed it.
DeleteMore Philosophy from digger.
ReplyDeleteI think Elway's 2 big blunders recently, Vance Joseph and Keenum, were brought on by the fact that he tried to get them earlier and failed. Then later on when he could get them, he overstepped, due to the fact that he didn't want to fail again.
Wasn't Elway trying to hire VJ as DC when the Bengals denied them permission and then a year or 2 later, he hired him as HC, even though he was unqualified.
DeleteYep. He had a bone for him long before he ducked up and hired him as HC.
DeleteTried to get Keenum before he went from Rams to Eagles.
DeleteI agree on the VJ overstep due to failing to get VJ before he got Kubes thing, but part of that is JE's competitive side, he hates to lose. I think the same can be said for not going strong on Wade after so many other teams (according to media) were hot on grabbing Woods - he didn't want to lose Woods to another team so he overstepped and offered him the DC job.
DeleteSometimes I think JE watches and falls for the media hype too much instead of just putting in the groundwork on players... unless of course it's after making a decision - then he gets stubborn with his choice.
I read an article on GM Dorsey and how he has developed a "formula" for evaluating draft talent. If course Dorsey wasn't disclosing his formula (no team does) but the writer speculated that it may be in part the combine stats and specifically the standing high jump and standing long jump. The idea was that in today's ever faster NFL player, it's that explosive first step that often determines whether a player will beat whoever he's facing off with. Thus, the leaping power of the legs in the high jump and standing long jump gives a big clue. The writer also stated that it's the "twitchy" speed combined with the first step power is the "tell" and Dorsey looks at tapes to determine the twitchy factor. I'm sure there's more to it but it was also noted that the specific formula of what to look for needed to be given down to scouts instead of scouts just passing up who they "like".
Maybe JE needs to be more like Dorsey in putting more thought into what he wants and then creating his own formula as to what he thinks will make a successful NFL player - instead of just saying "find me some good players".
Wasn’t Dorsey ran out of Kanas because he mismanaged their salary cap?
DeleteIDK why Dorsey left KC, don't know if he was fired, quit or just not resigned. I do know he likes to spend $$$ to build a team. So I did some checking and yes, his salary cap issues were a part of the reason but also his management style irked the owner and other FO people. Seems they didn't like his loosey-goosey personality, his lack of discipline and his firing of some personnel without warning or consulting others in management and ownership. Hunt had his fill and gave him the boot. Some with the team liked him and his eye for talent but beyond that, I gather he was irritating to work with.
DeleteBurfict just released.
ReplyDeleteBad Boy Burfict has had a lot of history with fines and suspensions due to cheap shots. I think Marshall is still out there, we may bring him back for less $$ than he wanted in FA if he continues to generate no interest from other teams. If we do, I'm sure it will be a short contract while we get younger/better talent.
DeleteSorta old news but in JE's/Fangio's presser on the new signings, JE had this to say about letting Paradis walk; "It had nothing to do with Matt’s ability, but we had big concerns about that ankle". He also stated McGovern would be our C but we all knew that.
ReplyDeleteWell Gould wants him at RG. I want a top talent rookie RG. Wilkinson as swing guy.
DeleteMaybe bring back Veldheer too as swing guy if we can.
DeleteIDK, I'd be fine with McG or Jones at C, Wilkerson (he's young) or McG at G and Veldheer as a swing guy. Thing is, our options of OL position talent has improved. Coupled that with Munchak and all our new O coaches, weapons, scheme and an off season to mesh together, we should be much improved - on paper at least. We've said that for years now so we'll get to see the end product in 5 months or so.
DeleteIf we get a good RG then Conor at center makes sense. We are interviewing Risner, if we draft him I could see us moving him inside to guard.
DeleteMy thinking is Conor is a good guard but average center. So, focusing on finding upgrades at one position versus two.
After signing Jackson and Callahan, Denver now has three of the top-10 CBs in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.
ReplyDeletePFF is a website that grades players on a 1-to-100 scale based on their play. In 2018, Harris earned a grade of 86.0, the third-highest rating among CBs in the NFL. Jackson earned a grade of 85.7, the fourth-highest grade among and Callahan earned a grade of 81.4, the ninth-best among CBs.
Yeah but they all are slot type CBs.
DeleteNaw, they are all versatile enough to cover slot and have in the past (except Jackson, he's covers S) but only Callahan is considered a true slot... and even he can move around if needed.
DeleteInstead of saying slot cb, just say they are all small lol
DeleteYup small, but Jackson is a hitter, Harris is a shutdown and solid tackler while Callahan is quick enough to cover over the middle and also a sure tackler. Three of the top 9 "pocket rockets" CBs, if it works I'm good with their size... but if they get manhandled - um, not so good.
DeleteReports we were looking at Bortles.
ReplyDeleteSo if we are looking at backups does that mean no QB in the first?
BPA baby.
DeleteIf that's Lock, then yeah QB in the 1st.
Actually, if it's Lock still there and we get offered a lot.....
DeleteThank god someone else signed Bortles.
DeleteRaiders looking st Marshall. IDK how he is doing with his injuries. I was kinda hoping we could get him back. LARaiders looking at Burfict too. I would think if they sign him, Marshall would be off their radar.
ReplyDeleteRaiders did sign perfect Burfict.
DeleteIs number 10 too high to draft one of the Iowa tight ends?
ReplyDeleteFor a TE, yeah I wouldn't spend a first round on one. Doesn't impact the game enough.
DeleteGronk was a 2nd rounder.
A.J. McCarron to Texans.
ReplyDeleteJust a thought, with the Bears last year fangio drafted roquan Smith. This year maybe we get our first round inside linebacker.
ReplyDeleteI dislike both White and Bush though.
DeleteHey, someone posted a comment on the other thread.
ReplyDeleteYeah they did. Can't they read? Haha.
DeleteReading is overrated
DeleteFrom NFL.com;
ReplyDeleteHaskins also revealed that he has meetings scheduled with the Broncos, Raiders, Dolphins and Redskins, each of whom have a pick in the top 15 of the first round.
Also Lock coming in for a visit.
DeleteWe are visiting with TE Oliver as well.
I like Haskins for our offense. I also kind of like Jones.
DeleteI lke them all but guess what? I also like Brett Rypien in a lower round - bet ya never head that on here before LOL!
DeleteAlso Chad Kelly got out. Would you give him another go around?
ReplyDeleteFor QB, or dressing up as Woody?
DeleteBoth lol
DeleteI will address a few of the comments. I think the biggest improvement in this team will be that we have coaches who actually teach players how to be better at their position rather than just coaches who bark orders and tell you what to do. Munchak is that wan and I get the impression Fangio is too. Players speak highly of them, but they always will. Nobody is going to come out and publicly bash a new coach. That being said, I am enamored with the coaching staff we have put together.
ReplyDeleteDefensively, I feel strongly with the players we have and those we have acquired, that this defense will be back to being an elite defense like we had when we won the SB. Yes we still need depth and I think our biggest glaring need is ILB. Not sure if Davis and Jewel are starter material yet. Jewel has great potential from the little bit I saw last year, Davis not sold on. I think he is a backup at best. I still think we need some depth at Safety and maybe a better option than Simmons and Parks.
Offensively, big improvement on the Oline by getting a RT. The interior still needs upgraded as I don’t believe Leary is going to last a full season. I hope I am wrong but the past two years say otherwise. I think we draft a center this year and McGovern moves to one of the guard spots. I also think we will scour the waiver wire as teams cut down their rosters or release guys after the draft. Munchak will have major input into who we draft and or bring in. QB, not sure what we have in Flacco, but I think the Ravens will regret letting him go. Jackson helped them win a few games after getting the nod, but the league started to figure him out as time went on and the Pats just basically said fuck off to him and walked all over them. They had to see what they had in him and the only way to eliminate any controversy was to get rid of Flacco. Is he the temp savior, this years JFFlacco or is he worn out and not worth anything? Time will tell, but I will say Baltimore hasn’t had a WR worth a shit in years, so he really hasn’t had anyone good to throw too. Can’t put all the blame on him. He has had hip issues so that may be a problem if our oline isnt better. I think we will draft Lock if he is there. Flacco won’t likely make it thru the season, so we need a backup. Is that Lock, Haskins, or a journeyman Free agent? Time will tell.
WR, I like our young guys coupled with Sanders, although Sanders may struggle this year coming back from injury and not get thr same separation as before. TE, we have players but both Heurman and Butts are injury prone, so not really sure what we have there. May need an upgrade. Still scratching my head at the deal we gave Heurman. RB, I like our options. Guys played well and we have players who can play against anyone.
So in all, we have improved greatly from last year. But we still have needs at QB, LB, Oline, NT and safety. Possibly TE depending on what we have with the two aforementioned TE’s returning.
Brad, Seems to me that we have only added 2 CB's, a RT and Flaco. While I'm excited about the CBs and RT, I would have a hard time concluding that we are greatly improved. Maybe Munchak and the other coaches can do a magnificent job and you will be right. I hope so.
ReplyDeleteOn the harassment side, I recall you worrying that the Broncos would regret trading Tebow. I think the Ravens will regret unloading Flacco as much as the Bronco regret unloading Tebow. Which is a big fat zilch.
So what starters could we look to upgrade on/holes left in the roster.
ReplyDeleteBackup QB - Just resigned Hogan but we need another young QB.
RG or Center - Depending on where we play Connor and who we get, we can upgrade these positions.
ILB - We have Todd and Jewell but they are too similar players. Think we will be looking for an ILB to pair with Todd.
NT - Have Kerr and Harris but I don't see either as a full time starter at NT. I'd like to see Harris rotated in more at DE. So need another space eater.
TE - Everyone here gets hurt so going to need another body.
Deep Threat WR - Need a burner in the receiving core. Low need though.
Safety - I think we will make do unless we add a vet, we have enough young talent now.
Some nice to haves, backup pass rushers and a big body corner to go with Yiadom.
A Returner!
What's our draft numbers again? All I know is number 10.
DeleteCurrent Draft Picks:
DeleteRound 1: 10th-overall pick
Round 2: 41st-overall pick
Round 3: 71st-overall pick
Round 4: 125th-overall pick (from Houston)
Round 5: 148th-overall pick, 156th-overall pick (from Minnesota)
Round 6: 182nd-overall pick
Round 7: 237th-overall pick (from Houston)
That's not very good.
DeleteYeah I'm not happy we only have three in the top 100. Could be the reason we move back.
DeleteBut it is a basic draft, one in each round with a double up in the fifth.
Sure can't move up very easy. Trade down seams okay by me. Of course I'm okay with moving down and getting more picks every year.
DeleteMy Wish is a franchise quarterback at number 10. Same with everyone else's. Hard to see a long-term future of winning seasons without one. I don't want to trade up or down to tell the truth, even if the quarterback's are gone.
Deletei think we all wish for that. Is there a true franchise QB in this draft? I know OBF likes Murray and thinks he is, but I think he will struggle in the NFL. I think he is another RG III waiting to happen.
ReplyDeleteHaskins I think should have stayed another year in college. He would have benefitted greatly. Urban Meyer’s offense didn’t work too well for him because he is more of a pocket passer. He was much better in Ryan day’s version of the offense when Meyer was suspended. Still had a great season, but he was a one year starter. We have had two of those already in Os and Lynch. Neither worked out.
Lock seems stuck on himself and could be one of those guys like Johnny Football who thinks he is better than he is and is uncoachable. He has footwork problems and often throws into double coverage.
Just not sure on this QB class. If we take one, I think it will be Lock. Elway seems to be stuck on him.
It’s interesting, I saw someone use the Manziel comparison for Murray and Mayfield for Lock. But hard for the outsiders to really know what these guys are like. Hopefully those interviews with Haskin and Lock can sort it out.
DeleteI saw one mock that had us taking Jones in the 2nd or 3rd... can't remember which. That same mock had Rypien going in the 5th to the Colts... I'd take him there with one of our two picks.
ReplyDeleteI’ve seen mocks with Jones going before Lock in the top 15. Interesting there is a lot of chatter about the top 3 and nothing about Jones.
DeleteI've seen those too, in fact Walter football has Jones ranked at #3 in the QB rankings - I didn't read their mock. They moved your guy Jackson up too, #10 I think, mostly due to his size IMO, not from his stats or record.
DeleteNobody really knows who's going to be a franchise quarterback. Of the franchise quarterbacks in the NFL right now many of them were drafted lower. A lot of intangibles that can't really be measured.
ReplyDeleteYep, some guys just need the right team and coach with the right attitude to succeed. Talent helps though.
DeleteDenver Broncos general manager John Elway confirmed at the NFL owners meetings Sunday that the team will host Duke quarterback Daniel Jones on a pre-draft visit. We are taking a look at all the top QB prospects except Murray, guess we feel AZ is serious about taking him at #1.
ReplyDeleteWelp, that comment by me didnn't last long... according to PFT;
Delete"Elway confirmed to reporters at the league meeting today that he wants to take a close look at all of the top quarterback prospects in this year’s NFL draft and that the Broncos will host Oklahoma quarterback Kyler Murray, Missouri quarterback Drew Lock, Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins and Duke quarterback Daniel Jones for pre-draft visits."
Oops, spelled "didnn't" wrong, normally I spell it "didnnnnnn't"...
DeleteInteresting, means we are keen or it is one hell of a smokescreen.
DeleteGronk retired.
ReplyDeleteYa, still just 29 years old but tons of wear and tear on his body. The Pats grabbing La Cosse is more obvious now but I'd read months ago that Gronk may not return for 2019. Why some Pats fans are so shocked is funny since it wasn't a secret.
DeleteThey pushed hard for Cook too, but cook chose the saints because he wanted playing time. Now seems he may have been the replacement.
DeleteCook's deal with the Saints still hasn't been signed although it likely will be but ya never know with Bill and Brady dropping their pants for him, Jared may renege. LOL!
DeleteBrad, i hate to be the one to correct you, but you said Lynch started one season in college. You only missed it by 2. He started for 3 seasons at Memphis.
ReplyDeleteBroncos president/CEO Joe Ellis said he expects Brittany Bowlen to rejoin the franchise in a senior management position within the year.
ReplyDeleteSeems the trust is hedging there bets on Brittany. From what I've read she seems like the right one to be owner. But she is almost 10 years away from being ready.
Delete10 years??
DeleteDepends on what level of experience they want. She is 29, I was aiming for 40 as that magic number. But Jed York took over the 49ers at this age so anything could happen, though I think he had spent 2 or 3 years in the front office at his time of appointment. So She may not be that far off but she isn't going to be ready anytime soon.
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ReplyDeletePer PFY; "Free agent linebacker Deiontrez Mount allegedly assaulted an Uber driver on Sunday morning in Denver."
Why do Denver players always have problems when they party? Is it the water... or the alcohol they spike it with?
That's PFT not PFY...
DeleteNobody with no team.
DeleteBMarsh signed with the Raiders.
That's good for him and takes him out of the desperation option for the Broncos, also good. He just hasn't been the same since signing the big contract in 2016.
DeleteDavis and Jewell can get it done. More concerned about Shelby Harris at NT. There are a couple of good ones on the top of the prospects. Right now my money is on #10 being used on a NT.
ReplyDeleteI also think that he has not been as effective since Trevathan left.
ReplyDeleteSuh is still available.
ReplyDeleteI think he would want too much money. I also think he will resign with the Rams. As good as he is, he is a Randy Moss at DT. Takes plays off too often for my liking, and is a dirty player. It speaks volumns that he is fourth or fifth team since coming into the league.
DeleteAnybody planning on going to the HOF game?
ReplyDeleteI would like to. Haven’t decided if I will yet or not.
Deletewell shit. Not sure why I thought Lynch was a one year starter in college. He certainly played like it.
ReplyDeletegonna put up a new post. This one is almost full
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