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Sunday, January 8, 2017

Broncos search for new Head Coach

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  1. 1st Round - #20 - Christian McCaffery RB/WR/KR Stanford 6-0 202
    2nd Round - #51-Dion Dawkins OT Temple 6-5 320
    3rd Round - # 82-Jarron Jones DT Notre Dame 6-5 315
    3rd Round - Compensatory (Brock Osweiler)-both picks around #97-102-Zach Banner OG USC 6-8 360
    3rdRound - Comensatory (Malik Jackson)-Kendell Beckwith ILB LSU 6-2 252
    4th Round - TBD - ABOUT #125-Kyle Fuller OC Baylor 6-4 310
    4th Round - Compensatory (Danny Trevathan)-about #140-Julie'n Davenport OT Bucknell 6-6 315
    6th Round - TBD-via Tennessee - about #200-Tedric Thompson SS Colorado 6-0 205
    7th Round - TBD - ABOUT #240-Josh Topou DT Colorado 6-2 325
    7th Round - Compensatory - about #260 - Noble Nwachukwu DE WEST VIRGINIA 6-2 275

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  2. Since this is us looking for a new coach, it is looking like we will be interviewing Joeseph tomorrow. Not a good showing by his defense today.

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    1. unless we have already set something up to interview him today if they lose.

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  3. And don't be so hard on Tubes. He won a SB in his first year back. I think he did a hell of a job coaching last year with the noodle arm Manning and recognizing when to bench Bart and put Manning back in. This year clearly from a health standpoint was hard on him and kept him from doing things his way, resulting in him steping down.

    I give him a lot of credit for knowing when to walk away. He'll be back in Denver I think at some point with Elway. His downfall this year was letting Dennison continue to call offensive plays. He was terrible. But if he was already so stressed and couldn't keep up, he wouldn't have been able to take over the play calling. So while we hated it, you can't blame him for not taking it back.

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    1. I would not be surprised if Kubes called the final game. Play calling was much better.

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    2. I was joking about singular and plural Tubes. Kubiak was fine as HC. Dennison as OC sucks.

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  4. We have to replace Dennison, he can't call plays and is useless as a OC. Make him a line coach and get a new OC.

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    1. I agree Dennison sucks. He has always been best as an OL coach. Houston went downhill after Kyle left and Dennison became OC.

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  5. Vance Joseph to interview on Tuesday
    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/818273080661438464

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  6. PFT is reporting that "sources (Marvez)" are saying Joseph has reached out to Mike McCoy to be his OC if he is hired in Denver. IMO, that coupled with Joseph's FO connections in Russell, Phillips and JE seals the deal for him as HC. The only hurdle would probably keeping Phillips as DC with the understanding that Woods be made assistant DC and future DC. BTW, I still like Kyle but he may be locked up until after the SB which could be a hindrance. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/09/report-vance-joseph-reaches-out-to-mike-mccoy-for-oc/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/09/vance-joseph-could-quickly-end-up-with-a-head-coaching-job/

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    1. Hey Jazzy, have a seat, have a beer, stick around a while!

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  7. If JE chooses Vance and Phillips is pushed out (not re-signed), how much you wanna bet Gase in MIA goes hard for Wade? Gase and Wade could make up and coming MIA a force to be reckonded with in 2017.

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    1. I could definitely see that happening. I could also see him ending up back in Buffalo as their DC or god help us in SD as DC.

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  8. Hey Broncos numbnuts, pretty disappointing season, eh?

    My vote is for Shanny Jr, but will be ok with VJ. Pretty dissapointed that it appears that Wade will not be back as DC.

    Not sure what that is all about.

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  9. Jazzy long time no see! and OBF!

    Raiders want Wade as well.

    Not sure I'm a huge fan of McCoy, he is an upgrade on what we got though.

    Two different media reports both saying Joseph and Shanny are front runners for the job lol.

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  10. Oh now you come back Jazzy. We were looking for you when we wondering about fantasy football. I liked doing the keeper league with Bronco fans. Good to see you found us back for talking draft prospects.

    OBF-hi, older, number nuts.

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  11. One coaching vacancy has been filled. Jags hired interim coach Doug Marrone as HC and Tom Coughlin as VP of Football.

    Probably a good move for them for now. He had their offense going the past few games of the season, much better than it had the previous two seasons.

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    1. I was leaning toward liking Marrone. OL guy.

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  12. Lol. Digger. I had a good number of people tell me they didnt wanna play anymore. Sorry about not communicating anything. I went from having 0 kids when we started that league to having 2 now with a 3rd on the way. Not enough time to do the things I used to.

    Whats up everyone. Long time indeed. I wish I could have a beer with you guys. Stopped using my computer for everything so I havent been on here in a loooong time. Glad to see you all have kept in touch.

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    1. I hear ya! Life's to busy to spend to much time on the computer.

      Oh wow! Fumble.

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    2. Would definitely be cool to kick back with a beer and watch a game with the whole crew. Where you located?

      Congrats on the minions and the one on the way. Hope all are healthy and doing well.

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  13. Not sure how I would feel with McCoy coming back as our OC. I didn't really care for him with Fox. He was too conservative. Not sure they would be an ideal fit for what we have. I certainly think our WR's are better in the spread formation, as it spreads the defense more than the short game. Having Taylor, DT and Sanders all on the field at once with a TE or two (Derby and possibly Heuerman) or a TE and RB would really open things up. Bringing in a whole new coaching staff would set us back quite a bit. Hopefully we don't go that route.

    If I'm Elway, I look at the personnel we have on the roster and choose a coach with that in mind. The least amount of change is probably the best at this point. We have a winning defense with a great coordinator and seemingly a great defensive coaching staff. Need a LB or two and maybe another DT to clog up the middle.

    Offensively, we need an overhaul on the oline. Some of these guys may be serviceable depending on who surrounds them.

    RB. Not sure if what we have is going to get it done. None of them has shown the ability. But with a better oline and better play calling, perhaps they can fit the bill.

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    1. Yeah no thanks on McCoy coming back, IMO. We need a guy who comes with or is his own OC.

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  14. Lynn doesn't have play calling experience either. He has improved the running game most everywhere he goes. He started as STs coach for us. Played with Elway.

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  15. yep, all healthy. the baby in my picture is turning 6 this month. Thanks for the well wishes.

    I live in New Mexico. One of these years we could all plan to go to the same broncos game and do some tail gating.

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  16. one thing I've learned as the years roll by. In Elway we trust. His decisions dont always make sense. But he usually makes the right choices

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  17. I loved Vance Joseph when Fox left. Now, I don't think he's the guy we need. Wade should stay, IMO. Why fix what ain't broke. With Shanny Jr, I am not sure either. I think Wade would stay for a few more years and all his coaches, but on offense, what happens? Surely he has guys he wants to take along. Are any OC qualified? IDK. I also don't know if Elway promised Tubes to try to keep his guys. That would mean Dennison would not get demoted or canned. I see his Bronco ties being an issue in that. Would it matter, if Jr is calling the plays anyway?

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  18. I'm in Australia lol.

    Congrats on the Kids Jazzy, and that sucks about the Fantasy league.

    My preference would be Shanny to come in with his own offense coaches and leave the D to Wade.

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  19. It says the interview went well.

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  20. You can fly in for our get together.

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  21. Shefter and Legwold seem to think Kyle is the frontrunner.

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  22. I stole this from a Bears blog, but found it pretty informative:

    Pro Football Focus graded every key player on Clemson and Alabama, including five of the eight projected first-round picks. Among the highlights:

    Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson (76.4) was great under pressure, racking up 420 passing yards and three touchdown passes while also adding 43 rush yards and a score on the ground. Watson was greatly aided by wide receiver Mike Williams, whose 83.1 grade was the best among Clemson’s offensive players. Williams hauled in eight catches (11 targets) for 94 yards and a touchdown.

    If Watson’s performances in the College Football Playoffs don’t boost his draft stock, I’m not sure what will. Add up his postseason stats (ACC Championship plus the two College Football Playoff games), and we’re looking at 967 passing yards (65.1 percent completion rate), 7 touchdowns, 3 interceptions, 185 rushing yards (on 53 carries) and five touchdowns. Being that good when the games mattered the most leaves a good impression.

    On the Alabama side, tight end O.J. Howard (78.7) posted the second highest score among the Crimson Tide’s offensive players. He gained 106 yards on four catches – and added a key block on Bo Scarbrough’s first touchdown. Tight end isn’t at the top of the list of Bears needs, but considering the lack of depth at tight end and Zach Miller’s history, the Bears would be wise to add a two-way playmaker at that position.

    Tackle Cam Robinson was dinged on some penalties en route to a 72.2 grade.

    Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster (86.9) was PFF’s highest graded linebacker all season and came away with the highest grade of anyone who played on Monday. Foster tallied 12 tackles (6 solo) and added a sack of Watson.

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  23. How were Foster's grade throughout the whole year?

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  24. According to the article (here - https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-grades-for-every-key-player-in-clemsons-national-title-game-win-over-alabama/ ) he was Pro Football Focus' top linebacker of the year. From the article:

    LB Reuben Foster was our top-graded linebacker all season, and aside from one drive in which he missed two tackles and got torched in coverage, he shed blocks and flew to the ball to finish with a team-high eight stops, while also adding a sack, QB hit, and two hurries.

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  25. https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-the-2017-nfl-draft/

    Here is the top 32 players, according to PFF. Christian McCaffrey is 28 , since you liked him for Denver, Digger. Reuben Foster comes in at 9.

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  26. Thanks Head. Do you have to pay eXtra at PFF for those breakdowns?

    I do like McCaffery. A lot. He single handedly killed my Hawkeyes last year. He is everything I think we lack on offense and STs. He is the type of player that always wrecks us. That said, I don't think we should draft him in the 1st round. I hate the thought of a RB in the 1st, let alone a light, susceptible to injury guy who has to play with reckless abandon to maintain his edge. Is that transferable to the NFL? Sure. It is more something of a get lucky on a 5th rounder like Tyre Hill though, not expect it out of a 1st rounder.

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    1. I don't think so. I just went to those links and got right in. I'd seen references to PFF before, but that was the first time I visited the site.

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  27. Joseph has aparently scheduled an interview with the Chargers. This seems to indicate that his interview and subsequent hiring were not the forgone conclusion that many thought. If Elway wanted him that badly, he wouldn't have left without offering him the job.

    It is interesting that Joseph is interviewing with SD. I am assuming he would have to bring a different OC if he lands in SD, since they just fired McCoy.

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  28. The best part of being a Broncos fan is that no offseason is that it is never dull. There is always something going on. Who would have thought last year around this time that we'd be looking for a new HC right now?

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  29. The wait is killing me. I figured we'd know or at least be hearing rumors as to who our coach was going to be by now. Nothing so far.

    Bills are reportedly going after McDermott as their HC and McCoy potentially as their OC. Guess that may mean that Joseph hasn't solidified him as his OC.

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    1. Joseph, Elway and his contingent were spotted having dinner at Elway's restauarant tonight. Joseph planned to fly out Wednesday morning to interview in SD. Either they are hammering out contract details or they are just playing nice. If Joseph leaves as planned in the morning, Kyle's chances look better... if not, expect an annoucement tomorrow.
      http://www.9news.com/sports/nfl/denver-broncos/mike-klis/vance-joseph-interviews-with-broncos-spends-night-in-denver/384991162

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  30. Uh oh. Elway and his contingent had dinner with Joseph. I don't like the sounds of that at all.

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  31. Seems the plan was for Vance to stay overnight in Denver so why not taking him to dinner.

    But yeah it will be either him or Kyle.

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  32. Sad day today in Broncos history. 8 years ago today, we hired Voldemort, who traded our QB, pissed off half the team, cut guys that he shouldn't have and traded Marshall the following offseason.

    Lets turn January 11th into a great day by hiring our next great head coach.

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  33. If it's Vance, I have to say Elway needs tO learn tO hidentify his cads better. Everyone knows how he has had this thing for Vance. I don't think he would be a good poker player. Or any card games. I be cheating and looking at his cards! LOL.

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  34. See head,
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/playergrades/
    $19.95/yr.

    I'm going to click on your link and see.

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    1. Well that sucks. I guess the ones I was seeing were just mentioned in their articles. Ya I wouldn't pay to see them either.

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  35. Troy Renck ✔@TroyRenck

    #Broncos Joseph met w team for 4 hours. Had dinner w execs afterward. Made strong impression. But if leaves w/o offer dynamic shifts

    9:25 AM - 11 Jan 2017
    http://bleacherreport.com/denv...
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    Leaving without an offer swings the pendulum a bit more towards Kyle. If JE wanted VJ that bad, he'd never let him leave Denver without an off made or contract in hand. But ya never know... then again, JE can't announce Kyle as long as the Falcons are still playing.

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  36. Sounds like it's who do you believe right now. Klis seems to think an offer will be made to Joseph before he leaves town and Legwold says we're waiting on Shanny to be done in playoffs to offer him the job. Maybe its revolving on who they will keep off the old staff. I'm rooting for waiting for Shanahan and keep most of the coaching staff.

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  37. I love the PFF site, but just like ESPN a lot of the good stuff is pay for it.

    One awesome page I got on was the FA page. Seems the toP rated guy overall is a LT, Andre Whitworth. Cincy may let him test the market because of his age. 35 I think. There are a lot of Gs. Personally I think we have a lot of guys who could possibly be good Gs. Many mediocre Ts end up being moved to G. We have a bunch of those. We need to figure out what to do at T. With Elway putting a priority toward comp picks, I don't think we try to steal Whitworth away. I think he would rather go back to the trade for Joe Thomas deal. First though I feel he will try to redo Okung's contract. Even if Okung reps with us, I think the Thomas trade could still be in place and move Okung to RT. Stevenson should be gone. However, cutting him makes him no help on comp picks. Maybe he can be included in trade bait. Cleveland might take him and a draft pick for Thomas.

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  38. McDermot and McCoy seem to be going to Buff.
    McVey to LA Rams.
    We seem set on either Joseph or Shanahan.
    SF wants McDouchbags.
    So that means SD will get whatever guy we pass on. I don't want that either. I don't want them getting Vance.

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  39. Joseph is back in the Broncos headquarters. Sounds like he will be our next coach. Really wishing it was going to be KS.

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  40. Looks like Joseph may be the next HC - he canceled his trip to SD and is still in Denver at Dove Valley.
    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/11/vance-joseph-denver-broncos-head-coach-job/

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  41. Joseph's interview with the Chargers is off. Looks like he isn't leaving Denver. I just hope he is keeping Wade.

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  42. Its now official. We have a new head coach.

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  43. Interviewing McCoy and the recently fired Musgrave for OC positions. Already disliking the hire.

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    1. Me too. I like Joseph, but we had Wade. He's out I guess. McCoy back. I didn't like him much the first time around.

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  44. I wonder what Elway sees as the gain in hiring Joseph, unless he knew Wade wasn't coming back. Hard to believe Elway didn't want to pay Wade's price, so either Wade privately told Elway that he was retiring for good, or Elway likes Joseph's defensive potential better than Wade's proven results?? And no way does Joseph and his lack of NFL offensive experience put the fear of anything in any of our competitors.

    I think I'd rather have Oakland's offensive coordinator rather than McCoy, if those are the only two choices.

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  45. Well VJ wasn't my first choice (KS was) but I can understand the thinking behind the hire. I posted this earlier on the DP and maybe it might be part of the reasoning;

    "If VJ is indeed the hire (and it looks like he will be), I'd say it has a lot to do with the blowup between the D and O in the locker room at the end of the season more than anything else. I think that kinda freaked JE out. In response, I think JE wants a guy who can relate to the stars on the team, the leaders and who they can look up to.

    Does ethnicity play a role? IMO, it does to some degree. I know nobody likes talking about race but the fact is, most of the athletes in the NFL are not white and they may relate to someone of the same ethnicity better. They may feel they have a guy in power who understands them and is in their corner. I know, it's lame to bring it up, but hey, I don't make society, I just observe and try to be honest. It shouldn't even be a factor and I hope I am wrong - but if it is, then maybe VJ is a better option.

    As for the mechanics of the team, the HC doesn't have the direct "hands on" influence as do his OC, DC and assistants. Those decisions will make the difference in how the team performs, not the HC. The HC is simply the leader of both players and coaches. He puts it all together, the others just execute the plan. The HC does however, impose the discipline and the responsibility of making sure the locker room is unified. I wish Vance Joseph all the best if he is the new HC."

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  46. Joseph it is, hopefully he can be a good coach.

    I would like Musgrave over McCoy.

    I care more who is going to be DC. Bummer it won't be Wade. I sure wished he could stay.

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    1. Also is Joseph the first African America coach for the Broncos?

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    2. Studs would have been the first when he was interim coach. But Joseph is the first official one.

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  47. Nobody has publicly stated that Wade is out. Clearly he is considering keeping Wade, or I think we would have heard at least some rumblings already. He is a Wade protege, so there is a relationship there.

    I am glad McCoy was chosen over Musgrave, but really don't like either one. Guess we will be the Chargers offense now.

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    1. Where did you read McCoy was chosen over Musgrave? I did read that he is VJ's choice but he hasn't even been interviewed yet as far as I know. I thought both were scheduled for interviews.

      As for Wade. he's likely gone or demoted. Joe Woods our DB coach seems to be the pick by VJ and from what I read, Wade is fine with Woods taking the job, which might mean one or the other becomes assistant DC. Wade is 69 and took a nasty sideline hit this year, he may be looking to hang em up or move on. I think Wade gets a kick out of turning Ds around but maybe doesn't like the grind of keeping them there after a success. Who knows? Big changes, big gambles, big payoffs or big failures, we shall see. Nothing boring about being a Bronco fan with an exgunslinger turned chronic gambler (was he always one?) as the GM.

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    2. CSN's John Middlekauff reports Broncos coach Vance Joseph will hire Mike McCoy as his offensive coordinator.
      This had been rumored but now sounds like a done deal. McCoy is a strong fit in Denver, where he coordinated under John Fox from 2010-2012. He should improve an offense that ranked near the bottom of the league. McCoy has a proven track record of getting the most out of his quarterbacks. His hiring is good news for Paxton Lynch's development.

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    3. Both were interviewed earlier today.

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    4. Brad, were do you get yer info? I read both were scheduled for interview on Thursday. Of course it may be just a formality but I did read that. Then again, it seems like all kinds of things get printed that turn out to be wrong.

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  48. Joe Woods has been named DC. Really not liking the coordinators at all.

    Can we fire him and hire Shanahan?

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    1. Haven't seen anything official yet, I won't mind if woods is the coach if they keep wade in some capacity.

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    2. Reports say McVay, new Rams HC has his eye on Wade for DC. I'm guessing JE didn't like 9-7 one damn bit and is throwing a nitro party for half the coaching staff. Hope Dennison gets his invite tomorrow... that sounded mean - I liked Denny but man, he sucked as OC... hmm, that sounded mean too - oh hell, I've become part of a mob!

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  49. Unofficial report out that McCoy going to be OC.

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    1. LA, the elephant burial grounds for NFL teams...

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    2. Damn, I am mean... guess all the changes have numbed my delicate sensibilities! HA! All I can say is it had better all work or Broncoland is gonna be LA East for the next couple of seasons. I have the feeling there are gonna be some player heads rolling among the other bones... stay tuned, we haven't had this much fun since McDope came to town!

      Seriously, I'm hoping for nothing but the best for the Broncos and I hope every decision is amazingly excellent!

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  51. I wanted Shanny Jr, but will support VJ. Hopefully his leadership skills can put this fractured locker room back together. I hate that we are probably losing Wade, especially if it is a money issue. I don't have preferences between McCoy and Musgrave.

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  52. If anyone ever comes to Denver for a game and wants to tailgate, let me know. We tailgate for about half of the games, especially the early warmer games.

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  53. I was expecting/hoping for some coordinator announcements by now. Joseph has had a whole day in the job, whats the holdup?? Obvious slacker...

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    1. I know, the loafer probably spent half the night sleeping... and coming to the presser without his starting lineup in place... un-ac-cept-ib-le!

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  54. Lol @Head.

    So Chargers logo is LAme. Now going to play in a 30k seat stadium. They may actually sell out a game for once.

    Nothing official yet. Looks like Woods going to be DC.

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  55. Also VJ takes some hilarious pictures.

    http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/photo-gallery/Vance-Josephs-first-day-as-Broncos-head-coach/e05cf5bd-e32e-4375-bfae-2df35a9cd877#8734a801-5d88-46e6-9b6e-97570de0d9f8

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    1. I couldn't figure out the players that were there.
      His daughter has quite the head of hair!

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    2. Latimer and McGovern. I think the other one was Norwood or maybe it was Raymond.

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    3. So guys trying to get on his good side?

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  56. Chargers hired Anthony Lynn as HC.

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  57. Only job left is the 49ers. I'm surprised the Rams went with Sean McVay over someone like Shanny.

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  58. Phillips to Rams done deal.
    McCoy inking deal as our OC.

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  59. Maybe Shanny isn't ready, or his dad wanted in too much, who knows.

    Sucks big that Wade went to the Rams. Our well it will be on the players now, hopefully woods can do the job.

    I don't mind McCoy but not the hugest fan, at least be better than Denny.

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  60. Talk we may add Musgrave as an assistant OC as well. Get both the Raiders and Chargers OC and play callers lol

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  61. This guys have all been let go or are leaving:

    DC Wade Phillips
    OC Rick Dennison
    ST coordinator Joe DeCamillis
    OL coach Clancey Barone
    ST assistant Tony Coakum
    OL assistant Jim Gregg
    TE coach Brian Pariani

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  62. Sure wish we could have kept Wade. The others leaving should make us a better team. Addition by subtraction at its finest.

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  63. We might be able to add Studesville to that list, unless he was the Rooney Rule participant for the Jets OC. Seems like a big jump from running back coach to OC, but evident;y Jets are interested. I wouldn't mind seeing him stick around. All around good guy and seems to have done some good work with the backs in the past. Hard to judge his work with as bad as the line was this year. Although some have said part of the issue with the line was the backs not hitting the holes on time. I've had trouble seeing that while watching the games.

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    1. Why do you say you had trouble seeing that? In your opinion the RBS did hit the holes hard? Or do you feel there were no holes, thus not the RBS fault?
      I think Studesville is a good RB coach. I can't say he's going to be terribly missed if he leaves. I mean really, the only years our run game has any gust has been when Tebow took it there and when Knowlton played out of his ass trying to get a new contract. That's just my opinion. Would love to hear others chime in more on the subject.

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    2. I didn't see a whole lot of holes. Its tough to gain yardage and get the momentum to run hard when the first hit is at the line of scrimmage. But you won't hear me defending the RBs a lot either. Plenty of blame for everyone with our offensive fiasco this year. I just think the backs would have been much better with even slightly improved line play.

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    3. I don't have the answer either. I, like you, just saw the pathetic results.

      You know one I have noticed this year by having Leave on Bell on my fantasy team is how he has to wait for his OL to open holes for him. Instead of slamming it in there, he pauses. Works for them. Other teams with fast RBs only have a short time to to either burst through the little hole provided or don't get through at all.

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    5. We have a triple problem running; the OL doesn't provide holes, the RBs don't adjust or break tackles and the play calling is too predictable especially where we attack the line.

      I'd love to see VJ steal back Bobby Turner from ATL. His time with DEN as RBs coach (1995-2009) produced our long line of 1,000 yd RBs from low rd picks and he's STILL doing it in ATL.

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  64. So, back to what 1st brought up. Maybe JE was pissed beyond getting over it on the locker room separation between offense and defense. Whose head rolls if he was. Obviously Kubiak, Wade and Dennison. So they should've if it had gotten out of hand worse than we know. Was it a "Remember The Titans" scene of offense vs. defense? Did coaches get in on it? Will we ever really know the whole truth? I have issues, I know that! I don't trust the media. I know they don't collect all the information before stating part truths as facts. I know they probably are not privy to all the information in the first place. So how can they report to me the whole story? They can't.

    Anyway, how far did it go? Do they go deeper with ousting "the problem"? If so, does anyone else feel Talib has become a problem that has just become to hard to cover up anymore? All the offseason partial truths. The cutting away with TV cameras because he is fighting his team ate on the field for a mistake. The new NFL rule about 2 personal fouls and your ejected implemented because of him, IMO. He is so good though. We sucked when he was out. Roby is not as good, period.

    Thoughts.

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  65. I only saw we were supposedly finalizing the deal with McCoy as OC, never saw the for sure thing on it. Is he or isn't he?

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  66. This is in reply to Digger 2 posts up... I think there was more to it than was reported and I think it went on longer than just the 1 reported incident. What I'm about to say is not going to be received well on here, but I think it has some truth.

    Trust me, I liked our players and coaches, warts and all. I'm not trying to belittle or pile on, just giving another view - and it may be lengthy and will focus on the negatives rather than positives - we can get to the positives for the draft.

    Where to start? How about 9-7 and 3 losses in our last 5 games. The signs were there early. OAK and SD both smacked the champs in the face without a fight. Then came the first KC game. We were coming off a bye, (KC had theirs 7 weeks earlier). Our near rookie QB gave us the lead 5 times (10-9, 17-16, 24-16, 24-22 and 27-24 in OT) yet the D gave it up 6 times in the back breaker loss. That game IMO, is when JE made up his mind, the following 2-3 for 5 “must win” stretch only confirmed it.

    While the media focused on trying to promote a QB controversy and other shortcomings, I don’t think that entered JE’s mind, he knew what to expect from them going in and IMO, he was pleased with their results although I don’t think he was pleased with how they were coached - especially in the support they weren’t getting from the OL, RBs, receivers and play calling. The media driven QB controversy just hid from view the real problems - which were;

    1) Coaching. Our coaches were too soft or to ignorant to get the most out of the talent we had. Kubes while fair, even keeled and well liked, simply tried to take on too much - he micromanaged and when failures occurred, he took responsibility rather than calling out players and coaches. He brushed off losses, he ignored the shoves, the lack of discipline, the locker room shouting, the “gimme the ball” selfishness, the lack of fire - in fact, he almost promoted it in part by looking the other way, taking the blame or making excuses when in fact he should have been dishing out discipline and demanding his coaches do a better job teaching skills and leadership. Norwood, Talib, Sambrailo, Stephenson, Okung, Schofield, Garcia, Roby and Ward made mistakes that cost games and created friction. Even players like Latimer, Huereman and Ware spending hours in the whirlpool collecting paychecks while the rest of the team sweated and played injured must have rankled some feathers. Those were all vets who should have be setting positive examples, not negative ones. Some are bemoaning the loss of Wade, and I loved the guy too but IMO, he’s too soft on his players. Sure, they love him because he wins, gives treats to the guys and never loses his temper, I don’t blame them but Wade has a pattern of going to a team, quickly building their D into a top 5-10 but then, almost as quickly, those defenses begin to devolve. I’m not certain if it’s smoke and mirrors that opponents eventually decipher or whether Wade is simply a builder and not a year to year maintainer. Or maybe he just lacks the ability to maintain focus and discipline. Whatever it is, it has been his pattern. Maybe JE saw it coming and decided it was more crucial to retain Woods than lose Wade - especially with VJ coming in with his defensive background.

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      2) Players. I’ve already touched on some but there were more. DT got a big contact, he should have had a stellar year. Yes, he did make some great one handed catches but he also dropped way too many catchable balls at crucial times. His routes were often short of the sticks, his EZ production for the last 2 years combined are about equal to or below the TDs of each of his previous 3 seasons. He pouted when not given the ball and showed little interest in downfield blocking for teammates. Sanders, while I love him, failed to show up for long stretches of games and at times, also dropped catchable balls. TEs? Where were they? Zero production in yards or blocking. RBs were also a mess. How can you succeed with all the failed 3rd/4th and short failures? Yes there were a few sparks but not near enough… and then fumble to kill the scant few drives? See coaching above. On D we had some crucial injuries (O too) but we consistently go beat on the ground. We need a run stuffing MLB, DT and NT if we keep the 3-4 which I think we will. On STs, we have 2 bright spots in McMoney and Dixon but without our kicking game, we are definitely bottom feeders. Too many yards surrendered and not nearly enough gained. Our O was constantly starting inside our 10 or worse. Only 1 TD from STs on the blocked FGA. For the most part, poor coaching calls were made on STs and Norwood, well, we all know that one. I will give STs the blocked FG and the 2 fake punt/pass attempts - one successful. But the rest, DeCamillis deserved canning. The other coaches, Barone, DeCamillis, Stubes, Pariani, Knapp and whoever else, I just don’t think most of them were getting the best out of their players - maybe they weren’t giving enough either in terms off teaching or maybe the new HC just thought he wanted some of his guys who he knew and trusted more? Whatever the reasons, I’m glad some are gone and will take a “wait and see” on others.

      3) Upstairs. The guys in the booth did a horrendous job. We were a “half game” team, either lousy or good but never consistent. We couldn’t stop runs, 6-7 man fronts confounded them, TEs ran wild over the middle, points of attack were rarely exploited, in short, were they smoking dope up there? The Broncos have NOT made good halftime adjustments and many times, dug holes we simply couldn’t escape from. Game planning was shit for the most part and what plans we had were often abandoned in the first quarter of play. How do you run 12 times and expect any young QB to come out with 40-50 passes to win? How do you see our RBs thrown for no gain or losses up the middle time and again and STILL attack that point? How do you repeatedly send down 4 yard plays when 6-8 are needed to extend drives?

      4) FO. Yep, JE & CO don’t get a pass on the failures. We’ve had a couple of “Meh” drafts although some of it may be savaged with the new coaches and schemes to fit the talent. That said, I don’t like some of the inner circle. Specifically Ellis, Russell, Echert and Thewes - all 4 guys involved with the last 4 coaching searches. This is just a hunch since for the most part, the input form those 4 have been pretty well hidden from the public - nobody knows who said/did what. Unfortunately, with Pat out of the picture and his kids all over the place, there’s really nobody to fire them or rein them in - unless they decide to fire themselves.

      Well, that’s about it for now. I know I’ve stated some things that others will disagree with and hell, I’m not privy to any inside info or first hand knowledge, it’s just some things to think about, some things I’ve thought about.

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    2. Sorry about some of the mistakes like savaged for salvaged, putting DeCamillis in twice, con tact for contract and all the others - should keep you on yer toes figuring them all out... LOL!

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    3. I wouldn't argue with anything you wrote, 1st. I really wonder when Kubes medical issues really started. It seems he was depending on Dennison and Philips to run the ship and they couldn't.

      There is probably a good reason why Wade was never a successful head coach, and you might have outlined it well. I've seen the type in business leadership many times. Great at coming in and fixing problems and getting things on track, but then seem to get bored and are unable to keep the momentum going. Almost like a player getting the big paycheck and then seemingly mailing it in. In that way he's like Fox was - only gets to a certain level and then you need to bring someone new in to get over the top. In our case the new guy (Kubes) got us over the top, then got hurt (sick) and the underlings didn't have the ability to keep it together.

      All that to say, it was time for some coaching changes.

      As far as Talib goes, the onfield stuff you mentioned is a little old and if you add the off field stuff, I'm tired of his act. A GREAT talent and maybe that assholishness is what makes him great, but I've has enough of it.



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    4. I learned to respect Talib more when he stood up for Harris after the cheap shot. Lot of locker room value in that.

      He is a knucklehead, but I want to keep him. Hopefully he is done shooting himself.

      But I can appreciate where you are coming from.

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    5. I don't think you're going to ruffle as many feathers as you think. Hard to argue with what we had to endure this year offensively. The Tebow experiment was better. At least we had the playoff win!

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    6. @ Head - I agree totally. Kubes medical issue (complex migraines) have dogged him for at least the past 2 years and I suspect they were more frequent and draining this year. He mentioned in his farewell presser how he had to depend more and more on his staff. For a micromanager, it's equivalent to an artist having his arms and legs cut off and depending on others to create the masterpiece.

      I do like the new coaches being assembled so far. Getting McCoy as OC and Musgrave as QBC is gonna put some fire in our offense. Can't wait for the QB competition. New coaches, new play, new schemes, o-line, etc. with everyone starting on the same spot. No favorites or IOUs to consider, just flat out best player wins.

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  67. Rapoport just posted that Broncos are set to add McCoy as OC and Musgrave as QB coach.

    I like this combo.

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  68. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season/?utm_content=buffer9092c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl

    Denver was #24.
    "right tackle was the Achilles heel over the season, where Donald Stephenson and Ty Sambrailo engaged in a game of one-upmanship to see who could get beat more often. Stephenson finished the season with the lowest overall grade of any offensive lineman, at 28.0, and yet it felt like he was the better option of the two; the only thing saving Sambrailo from earning a lower grade was opportunity."

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  69. LOL! I saw that and I'm shocked we made 24th! Move up 10-12 spots and we are in the park.

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  70. RT is a big problem for us, throw a bucket of money at Wagner.

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  71. Reported interest by Broncos
    OL coach Jeremiah Washburn
    ST coordinator Marwan Maalouf
    ST coordinator Derius Swinton II

    Who has been hired or is staying on
    OC Mike McCoy
    DB coach Joe Woods - interviewing for DC
    LB coach Reggie Herring - interviewing for DC

    Joseph wants to retain entire defensive coaching staff.

    WR coach Tyke Tolbert
    QB coach Bill Musgrave

    Who is leaving or has been fired
    DC Wade Phillips
    OC Rick Dennison
    ST coordinator Joe DeCamillis
    OL coach Clancey Barone
    ST assistant Tony Coakum
    OL assistant Jim Gregg
    TE coach Brian Pariani
    QB coach Greg Knapp 

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  72. I either missed or had forgotten that Kubiak's son was on the coaching staff as an "offensive assistant/QBs coach", whatever that is.

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  73. So this is going back a little.

    OBF-mighty cool to invite us all to tailgate with you if we ever get to a game! I think you may be the only regular on here that lives in Denver and gets to attend games and practices and stuff.

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  74. 1st-In your essay (LOL) of what went wrong you mentioned a lot of the things that we all have been bitching about. Game plan sucked and never could put together two good halfs. OL never had any continuity and never gelled. Many, many, many mistakes(dropped passes, muffled punts, ect.). Penalties. Couldn't convert 3rd and short. The list goes on. This is all coaching. We said what needed to be done. I don't know about you, but I'm amazed that they actually are doing it.

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    1. And if the coaching he's had done their job maybe I wouldn't be thinking Talib should be traded. After all he was just doing what the coaches should've been doing. Getting in Norwood's face and calling out the OL as the weak link.

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  75. Eric Studesville has decided to stay with the Broncos.
    Studesville had an interview with coach Todd Bowles this week, but he has decided to stay in Denver. It is a bit embarrassing Studesville would rather coach the Broncos' running backs than coordinate the Jets' offense.

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  76. Digger - On Klint Kubiak, the Denver (com)Post has him listed as in limbo.

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  77. Klis is saying Jeff Davidson is next O line coach.

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    1. I believe it was on live radio this morning. Cant find the article I read that in now!

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    2. No I meant where is Da is on from. What team?

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  78. New York Times is reporting that Joe Woods is our new Defensive Coordinator.

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    1. Jeff Davidson is our new OL coach. He wasn't mentioned with the other 2 who were interviewed but it is confirmed.

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    2. Not that impressed with his record in SD. He did better in MN but with Peterson at RB, that should be expected. He is more of a Power Blocking than ZB scheme, which I'm fine with. It will affect which players we go after, retain and start. Bodes well for Schofield, McGovern, Turner and Sambrailo - Maybe Okung too but they'll have to beef up and hit the weight room. Paradis, although small, has good power and quickness and is ranked 1 or 2 in 3 of PFF's C rankings (he was our top lineman), Ferentz may be too small but we have Day on PS.

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    3. Nice read here.
      http://predominantlyorange.com/2017/01/14/vance-joseph-makes-critical-hire-jeff-davidson-o-line/

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  79. Ben Garland for the safety. They needed him to switch back to defense. How did we not have room for a G/DT? Even if it was a backup at each. If I remember right he was also the feel good story of being an Air Force pilot.

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    1. I think he just didn't develop like they had hoped. After keeping him around for a few years they finally decided it wasn't going to work.

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  80. Looks like Shanahan is trying to show everyone they should have hired him.

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  81. I am still struggling with McCoy as OC. I really didn't like him when he was here with Fox. I don't think his offense was the one run in SD. I think that was more Whisenhunt's offense than McCoy's. I think we will struggle and be too conservative despite Joseph's desire to be "attacking" on both sides of the ball.

    I think we'll be very vanilla and predictable.

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  82. HOU just scored and are trailing 14-13. Rooting for Brad, I want NE to LOSE!

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  83. I am assuming Woods will continue to run a 3-4 defense since he learned under Wade.

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  84. Woods named DC and John Benton as asst OL coach. The build is shaping up nicely... can't wait to see how they perform!

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  85. Coaching staff is looking pretty good. I like the guys they are gathering. Besides Wade it seems most of the defensive staff will stay on board as well.

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    1. Wonder who will take over as DB's coach with Woods moving up to DC. Wonder if he will still coach them.

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  86. Really glad Decamillas or however you spell it is gone. Our special teams weren't very special this season.

    Surprised he hasn't filled that position yet.

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  87. Just thought about how if KC manages to win tonight, I can't root for either of them or NE next week. Just can't. Glad Dallas lost. Wish GB/Atl was the SB.

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  88. It was tough cheering for Pittsburgh last night. I'm like you in that I can't pick who I want to win. Guess if I had a gun to my head I would pick Pittsburgh, but really don't want to even deal with all the Steeler fans around here. Hopefully Green Bay or Atlanta wins it all.

    If Atlanta wins, may look bad on us for not hiring Shanahan. Guess we'll have to just wait and see how we do.

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  89. McDidicheatagain took his name out of the mix for SF job. Looks like just Shanny Jr left.

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    1. If KS winds up in SF, they may be the patient turtle laughing at the early birds. I'd like to see it, it would be fun to compare how KS does to what VJ does.

      I'm still supporting VJ but Shanny was my 1st choice. The VJ sexual abuse scandal coming to light again makes me have concerns about the choice. Makes me wonder how JE would ignore it.

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    2. KS would've been a lot better choice for TS.

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    3. Maybe, but I don't want any favors for my guy, he either is the best or he isn't. I'm betting he wins any competition that doesn't have a finger on the scales or a ringer in the game. Given the same tools, O-line, playbook, players and reps I'm guessing he comes out on top.

      I will say this, if KS wins the SB and takes the SF job, there's gonna be a lot of second guessing, more than when we jumped up to take Pax rather than being patient and grabbing Dak, especially if KS gets SF back in the hunt.

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    4. The beautiful thing about this blog is we have a inside track on the competition at QB! OBF will be at some of the practices, I think, Lord willing, and will give the inside scoop without bias on whether or not TS is getting a fair shot or not. I can't hardly wait!

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    5. I will be unbiased, however my daughter is a Northwestern alum and an obvious Siemian supporter.

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    6. Haha. Love it. We are so lucky to have you still around on here.

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    7. Can you blame him? San Fran is a mess. Almost as bad as Cleveland. They have no QB, and there aren't really any good ones coming out this season.

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  90. Shanahan has essentially given SF the nod that he will become their head coach once Atlanta is done in the playoffs.

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  91. Ravens are expected to allow NT Brandon Williams walk in free agency. With how poor our run defense was this season, do we allow Sly to walk and bring a guy like him in? I would suspect Sly will be looking for a big deal. May not be a big difference between the two, so do you go with the better of the two?

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  92. So we took someone Jack Del Rio didn't want in Oakland to be our DB coach. I'd love to know why Del Rio let him walk.

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  93. If Sly and Williams are going to get similar deals I would pick Williams over Sly.

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    1. haha, when I first read this, I thought Sly and Williams were the same person and you were being witty

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  94. Jags are expected to cut Julius Thomas.

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    1. Wow, his stock has sure dropped off. Guess we were right about his toughness.

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  95. From Pro Football Rumors, this should help in free agency as it gives us the 12th highest carryover amount. Not like Cleveland or Jacksonville, but our carryover number last year was around $3 million, if I remember right

    The NFL Players Association has announced all 32 teams’ salary cap carryover amounts for the 2017 season. Next season’s cap figure isn’t yet known, but it’s likely to be in the $165MM range. When that becomes official, it can be added to each team’s carryover amount to determine that club’s official spending room for 2017.

    Here are this year’s carryover totals:

    Cleveland Browns: $50,123,269
    Jacksonville Jaguars: $39,314,310
    San Francisco 49ers: $38,708,916
    Tennessee Titans: $24,046,522
    Washington Redskins: $15,055,131
    Carolina Panthers: $13,208,020
    Miami Dolphins: $8,363,708
    Chicago Bears: $8,103,197
    Oakland Raiders: $8,000,000
    Green Bay Packers: $7,984,687
    Philadelphia Eagles: $7,933,869
    Denver Broncos: $7,243,248
    Indianapolis Colts: $6,614,106
    Cincinnati Bengals: $6,578,866
    New Orleans Saints: $5,754,000
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $5,330,779
    New England Patriots: $5,292,335
    Kansas City Chiefs: $5,002,168
    Houston Texans: $4,935,924
    Detroit Lions: $4,725,644
    Arizona Cardinals: $4,405,068
    Pittsburgh Steelers: $3,269,367
    Buffalo Bills: $2,837,222
    Baltimore Ravens: $2,553,126
    Dallas Cowboys: $2,401,553
    Seattle Seahawks: $2,065,865
    New York Giants: $1,800,000
    Atlanta Falcons: $926,541
    Minnesota Vikings: $400,184
    New York Jets: $371,487
    Los Angeles Rams: $304,311
    Los Angeles Chargers: $113,693

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  96. Per the Broncos Wire

    The NFL Players Association announced on Wednesday the salary cap totals that each team has elected to carry over into the 2017 season. The Denver Broncos are carrying over more than $7.2 million.

    Denver is expected to have around $38,410,833 in 2017 salary cap space, according to Spotrac.com. That estimate will likely go up because Spotrac only calculated $6.8 million to roll over.

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  97. Well 1st order of business should be cutting a few guys. I think some of the will use up some cap space. Like Stevenson. V.Green would be another I have heard talk of he should be released. IDK on that one. The Okung issue has to be dealt with. He played cheap last year to set us up for the what do we do with him now question. Now, if we let his contract continue, he will be one of the highest paid LTs. He isn't worth that no matter what system we run ZBS or power. Draft picks are not an option to get immediate starters IMO. Maybe a RT, but not a LT. We have to spend the money at LT.

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  98. As a used car salesman, Elway should be able to dump his trash on someone else, right. If he can trade Stevenson for something worthwhile (like a bag of magic beans) he will be considered a failure for sure. Haha!

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    1. Can't. Geez I suck. Now not funny at all.

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  99. Gotta do something as Offensive Tackle. Looks like the best short term option at LT would be to let Okung renegotiate his contract again and get another cheap year out of him. Don't pay him big though. At RT, they have to pull something out of their ass.

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  100. Julius didn't fair well in Jacksonville because they didn't use him as a verticle threat like we did. He is not a dominant force in the middle of the field like they use him. Plus he missed 11 games in two seasons. Glad we didn't pay the man.

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  101. As far as Okung, I suspect now that Kubiak is gone and McCoy is back, we will go with more of a power oline, of which Okung will not fit the profile. I suspect we will let him go and basically start over on the entire line other than maybe Paradise.

    I wonder if Vasquez would come back. He wanted to come back this year, and actually would have been better than what we had on staff. I am sure we could get him to come back if he is still looking to play. He was always a great pass blocker in SD.

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    2. It's possible after a year off and McCoy back Vasquez gets a look. I still say our Gs are alright though. Especially with the Ts that have been changed to Gs.

      So, is it true we only had 4 Ts last year? Okung, Stevenson, Sambrillo and I can't remember the other one right now. We need quality Ts from somewhere! I read yesterday Clady may be cut. Jets don't feel he's worth what he was getting paid. No shit! That's why we asked him to take a pay cut or we're going in a different direction. Okung played as good as Clady for less money. Got what we wanted. Now Okung wants more and Clady is going to have to play for less. Let's get Clady back.

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  102. Thinking of swapping players, what about Alshon Jeffery for DT. We sign Jeffery on a cheaper deal than DT and then trade DT away. I think Alshon has a similar skill set to DT but is more physical to the ball.

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  103. Old article before coaching changes

    http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/12/22/14067564/broncos-offensive-tackle-situation-the-okung-option#top

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  104. Brad, you asked the question as to whether or not Spotrac was including Okung's salary for 2017.

    Good question, you should be an accountant.

    The answer is that they were not including Okung's salary, since it is not yet guaranteed.

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  105. Digger, you speculated on cutting Stevenson and Green and what the cap hit would be. Cutting Stevenson would be a hit of $2 million of dead cap, but $5 million if we kept him and paid him. Cutting Green would be a dead cap hit of $500,000, but $3.3 million if we kept him and paid him.

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  106. In my not so humble opinion, the real Salary Cap issue this year is Demarius Thomas. for 2017, his salary cap number is $12 million, but his dead cap if we cut him is $15 million. Someone mentioned trading him, but even in a trade scenario there would be about $9 million of dead cap due to previously paid bonuses.

    In 2018, his salary cap number is $12 million but his dead cap hit drops to $4 million.

    So we are stuck with this bad contract for at least another year.

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  107. Oh, for some funny news, Houston's prized 2016 off season QB signing will have a $19 million cap hit in 2017 with a dead cap number of $25 milion.

    hahahahaha

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  108. We need a new post. Anybody else want to do it?

    I could do a new mock. Nobody razzed me about the last mock.

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